Rolling Marvel Cinematic Universe thread (+ a poll: Classic or Dud?)

bazin to thread to settle this

Like, imagine you are Anna Boden or Taika Waititi or Favreau or a Russo Brother, and Scorcese says of your stuff -- "It isn’t the cinema of human beings trying to convey emotional, psychological experiences to another human being." That's hardcore!

Seriously, they've been inconsolable for days.

OTOH, WGAF about what Scorsese considers (dons beret) AH-SIN-AY-MAHHHH! (chef kiss)

a) this is correct, it is about superhumans and cartoon gods

b) p sure Waititi and Boden know that their Marvel work is not the same as Mississippi Grind or Boy

c) compare it to everything he says about other films in the same interview.

I've only read the press excerpts of what he said about the Marvel films! What else does he say isn't cinema?

(I GAF solely b/c what he and Coppola said seems so harsh, and it's interesting to me that they would say it... but if they say that kinda stuff all the time, then I admit it's not so interesting!)

p sure Waititi and Boden know that their Marvel work is not the same as Mississippi Grind or Boy

Yep. Esp considering, based on anecdotal evidence, we can at least guess (at least for Boden/Fleck) there are chunks of the movie they flat out did not direct.

https://i.imgur.com/IVar7ME.jpg

I've been a Marvel Zombie since 1972, but Scorsese's not entirely wrong.

xp It’s still gotta sting a little!

Coppola is the exemplar of the "one for them, one for me" philosophy. He knows that taking a commissioned job doesn't necessarily say anything about a filmmaker's personal work.

that said, I'd hate to be the director on the end of this stinging rebuke from the big man:

"It was considered that I had made Apocalypse Now and I'm like a Marty Scorsese type of director, and here I am making this dumb Disney film with Robin Williams. But I was always happy to do any type of film."

oooohh, shots fired!

it is about superhumans and cartoon gods

this is mostly where the films fall a bit flat for me, i guess. they're mostly entertaining, i'm pretty deferential to them, and i consider at least Ragnarok to be some kind of masterpiece. but they don't really move me or really make me care that much.

"But I was always happy to do any type of film."

Worth noting he filed for bankruptcy three times between 1990 and 1992 thanks to taking risks on stuff like One From the Heart.

Francis Ford CaptainEO

(Again, before anyone gets butthurt, I hold Coppola in the highest esteem.)

(But also: Francis Jack Coppola)

Now he’s flush, cuz he added some wine to that cheese!

Why are we still litigating this?

These are popcorn flicks, do we care that Scorsese feels like they're not Ingmar Bergman flicks

That's an insult to popcorn flicks.

Not really

a popcorn flick is not such an ordeal

Hyperbole on overdrive

Bonnie and Clyde and Jaws and Psycho and Indiana Jones and Jurassic Park were all popcorn flicks.

The MCU is the middlebrow Oscarbait dreck of popcorn flicks.

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Bluish green is the greatest color on earth! Greenish blue on the other hand makes me projectile vom and anyone who likes it is literally satan, omg u guys

Sunrises fill me with joy! Sunsets otoh are like the goatse of the sky.

Netflix Originals:MCU::prestige TV:popcorn flicks

dang what does that make DC?

Vudu Originals

Things that are round : things that are edible :: things that make noise : things that are flammable

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And that means
Eat my ass

New bjork album pushing the envelope i see

I admit I was not aware of the precise context of Scorsese's comments, and would like to praise the interviewer for the implicit "you know this is some gimmicky shit, right?"

It’s ok nobody looked at the context

Scorsese made a children’s film this decade! He isn’t against them - his mildly stated opinion on these ones should be taken in good faith in the context of a lifetime of extremely catholic (lol) moviegoing. People imagining he’s coming from a place of snooty hauteur are either being disingenuous or actually don’t know anything about who is talking

Disney-Marvel (good), 2019: ooh better make the Ancient One a white woman, we don't want the Chinese government thinking they're Tibetan.

Martin Scorsese (bad), 1997: here's my movie about the Dalai Lama, the invasion of Tibet, and the slaughter of its people. Aint I a stinker?

— Patrick Marlboroughoul!!! (@Cormac_McCafe) October 22, 2019

I am very sorry that those people exist, but none of them exist on this thread, so Give Us a Fucking Break.

it is about superhumans and cartoon gods

This bullshit standard would Mean 'Babe: Pig in the City' isn't cinema either, and I won't stand for that!

hmm if only there were a relevant difference between beings of superhuman capability and beings without it

xxp ok, to put a finer point on it: the thread explains why if “Scorsese vs marvel” is really an actual thing that we have to do it’s gonna be Scorsese all day unless you’re a fucking cop 😜

The thing is, for me it's not about Scorsese vs Marvel, and it's been dispiriting to see how few fellow film nerds are able to see past that framing. Of course Scorsese films are better! The thing is, was what he said accurate or not, and it's not. And of course it's harsh! 'That's not cinema!' Coppola called them 'despicable!'. It's okay to agree, and think that Coppola is right to call Taika Waititi the maker of a 'despicable' film, but of course it's a harsh attack on a fellow film maker.

xp It's not an actual thing though? He's allowed be a mensch and have a lousy opinion in his old age - it's a blessing he doesn't have more (other than the whole Polanski business, where he hardly stands out).

I look forward to this discourse reaching its final form, where he declares that he's going to make a hiphop track a superhero movie that will show us all, then makes increasingly infrequent references to it in interviews over the next decade.

It’s a good opinion I’m afraid

Here's a good opinion: People who rate opinions on whether they are 'good' rather than 'correct' can go fuck themselves.

it's a bad opinion i'm afraid

Well, you can go fuck yourself, I'm afraid

*lubes up*

lol :)

Here's a good opinion: People who rate opinions on whether they are 'good' rather than 'correct' can go fuck themselves.