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I miss nakh he was nice to me once

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 01:20 (five years ago) link

Very few threads on ilx are actually useful in a utilitarian way. The quality and quantity of Trump threads is as pointless to argue about as the best 100 albums by bands that start with the letter H

― sarahell

I can only get to about 75, and some of them might not count depending on how strict your criteria are:

Hagar the Womb - Break the Silence
Hail - Hello Debris
Hail Spirit Noir - Mayhem in Blue
Half Japanese - Half Gentlemen Not Beasts
Hall & Oates - Abandoned Luncheonette
Hallelujah Chicken Run Band - Take One
Hama - Houmeissa
Hammer Screwdriver - s/t
Hampton Grease Band - Music To Eat
Hangedup - Kicker In Tow

Hank Wood & the Hammerheads - s/t
The Happy Dragon Band - s/t
Happy End - Kazemachi Roman
Happy Family - s/t
Happy the Man - Crafty Hands
Haram - When You Have Won, You Have Lost
Hardwater - s/t
Harmonia - Deluxe
Harmonium - Si on avait besoin d'une cinqueme saison
Harpers Bizarre - Feelin' Groovy

Harpy - Do Not Eat
Hatfield and the North - s/t
Hawkwind - Warrior on the Edge of Time
The HE 5 - Merry Christmas Psychedelic Sound
The Head Shop - s/t
Headstone Circus - s/t
The Heartbreakers - L.A.M.F.
Hearts & Minds - Electroradiance
Heavy Vegetable - Frisbie
Hedningarna - Hippjokk

Heimat - s/t
Helado Negro - This Is How You Smile
Heldon - Stand By
The Heliocentrics & Mulatu Astatke - Inspiration Information
Hellripper - Coagulating Darkness
Hellwitch - Szygial Miscreancy
Helmet - Meantime
Help - The Second Coming
Helvetia - The Clever North Wind
Henry Cow - In Praise of Learning

The Heptones - Party Time
Herpes - Medellin
Het Pandorra Ensemble - III
Hieroglyphic Being - The Disco's of Imhotep
High Contrast - High Society
The High Fidelity - s/t
The High Llamas - Gideon Gaye
High Rise - Live
High Tide - Sea Shanties
Him - Many In High Places Are Not Well

Hirax - Hate, Fear and Power
The Holy Modal Rounders - The Moray Eels Eat the Holy Modal Rounders
Holy Sons - Decline of the West vol. I & II
The Holydrug Couple - Hyper Super Mega
Home - Falling Into Place
Homicide - Illsurrekshun
Honeyelk - En Quete D'un Monde Meilleur
The Honeymoon Killers - Les Tueurs de la Lune de Miel
Hopeajarvi - s/t
The Horrific Child - L'etrange Monsieur Whinster

Horse - For Twisted Minds Only
Hosome - New Fascio
Hot Butter - More Hot Butter
Hotel X - Routes Music
Hotline - You Are Mine
Hotzenplotz - Songs Aus Der Show
Hound - Out of Time
Houndog - s/t
However - Sudden Dusk
HP Lovecraft - II

The Hua Family Shawm Band - Walking Shrill
Hugo Largo - Mettle
The Human League - Dare
Hunger - The Lost Album
Husker Du - New Day Rising
Hussalonia - Home Taping Is Killing Me
The Hypnotic Brass Ensemble - s/t

Spironolactone T. Agnew (rushomancy), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 02:11 (five years ago) link

helium - the dirt of luck

mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 02:28 (five years ago) link

Heart and Haim were robbed

solos that go widdly widdly widdly (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 02:37 (five years ago) link

I’m not getting any of these jokes and I’m very annoyed

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 02:40 (five years ago) link

Least relatable post ever.

pomenitul, Thursday, 24 October 2019 10:53 (five years ago) link

hmmmmm

breastcrawl, Thursday, 24 October 2019 11:07 (five years ago) link

If you think this place isn't poptimistic enough, we must not be living in the same universe.

pomenitul, Thursday, 24 October 2019 11:08 (five years ago) link

Haha I also felt slighted by that remark but from the other side

gyac, Thursday, 24 October 2019 11:09 (five years ago) link

I think there's truth in all perspectives here

imago, Thursday, 24 October 2019 11:10 (five years ago) link

Don't you 'both sides' me! Entire genres are absent from these polls, fuck giving more space to the same old hegemonic shit everyone already knows about.

pomenitul, Thursday, 24 October 2019 11:14 (five years ago) link

There is indeed too much indie in the albums poll. But the corrective certainly isn't more chart pop.

pomenitul, Thursday, 24 October 2019 11:14 (five years ago) link

I’ll both sides you as much as like!

Matt has an excellent point but the poptimist post is more like “the wrong people are posting here”.

gyac, Thursday, 24 October 2019 11:15 (five years ago) link

No jazz, no so-called 'world' music, no classical, no 'experimental', etc., and the real cause for dismay is the supposed lack of pop.

pomenitul, Thursday, 24 October 2019 11:16 (five years ago) link

And not just any pop. English-language pop.

pomenitul, Thursday, 24 October 2019 11:17 (five years ago) link

you must not know about me

breastcrawl, Thursday, 24 October 2019 11:19 (five years ago) link

I don't, no. Which is fine – relative anonymity is the great equalizer.

pomenitul, Thursday, 24 October 2019 11:21 (five years ago) link

Pop made it to #47, what more do you want?

Lucky Pierre Delecto (crüt), Thursday, 24 October 2019 11:34 (five years ago) link

You don't understand. Anglo pop may seem ubiquitous but it is actually oppressed by rockists and their hegemonic ideology of authenticity.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Thursday, 24 October 2019 12:10 (five years ago) link

Every time I go to the supermarket, they blast Keith Rowe and John Tilbury's Duos for Doris, please help!

pomenitul, Thursday, 24 October 2019 12:12 (five years ago) link

oh i forgot this was happening

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 24 October 2019 12:24 (five years ago) link

I know entire genres are absent and it annoys me too, but this is breastcrawl's lament for a specific form of cultural positioning that certainly had (has?) its place. Although I'd say reports of its demise are exaggerated

imago, Thursday, 24 October 2019 12:26 (five years ago) link

It would have had its place in a completely different context. As it stands, it's just the same old Anglo-American (indie) rockist vs poptimist tertium non datur turf war that knowingly ignores impossibly large swathes of music, some of which happen to be as immense as entire continents. What are the chances that, say, Toumani Diabaté's The Mandé Variations – a relatively well-known 'world' music album that I voted for – will place at this point? I hope to be pleasantly surprised, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

pomenitul, Thursday, 24 October 2019 12:34 (five years ago) link

good point, well made tbh

imago, Thursday, 24 October 2019 12:37 (five years ago) link

polling is, i would argue, fundamentally not an effective means of challenging hegemony and "consensus". if you want to poll a population of, largely, anglo-americans on "music" and somehow get results that aren't dominated by anglo-american pop-rock the only way to do that is to write the rules so as to exclude anglo-america pop-rock.

Spironolactone T. Agnew (rushomancy), Thursday, 24 October 2019 13:46 (five years ago) link

Exclude Anglo-American voters.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 October 2019 13:50 (five years ago) link

Tom otm

Trolling aside, I don't disagree with you, Kate, but bringing up this issue on the poll's margins is fair game imho, as is expecting more from music nerds, regardless of their cultural background. I don't know if you voted, incidentally, but you're precisely the kind of ILXor I expect to come up with a fascinating and genuinely diverse ballot.

pomenitul, Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:16 (five years ago) link

No jazz, no so-called 'world' music, no classical, no 'experimental', etc., and the real cause for dismay is the supposed lack of pop.

― pomenitul, Thursday, October 24, 2019 7:16 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

ok lol I missed this was the thread for meta commentary. pomenitul was it you or imago (or someone else, sorry) who recently said something about the rolling threads not being poptimist so much as genreist? That seemed otm to me and describes my own stance better than poptimism. Like the generic, linguistic, and geographic narrowness of (much of) pitchfork and these poll results bugs me, but I also don't get much out of, say, the Singles Jukebox's open-eared but naive--I don't mean that pejoratively--approach; I prefer to hear about specific scenes from people steeped in them. I suspect breastcrawl is actually closer to this position too but identifies as a poptimist because his favored genres are global pop (apologies if that's off base, and I know you like other stuff too).

rob, Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:19 (five years ago) link

It wasn't me, but that makes some amount of sense, even though I do think poptimism (which I define as a preference for short, catchy *songs* with vocals, which may in fact include rock) is still the main, overrepresented force in these polls and on ILM in general.

pomenitul, Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:24 (five years ago) link

this is definitely the right thread to be refighting the poptimism wars in for the 10,000th time

genre: post-britpop (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:27 (five years ago) link

I hope you're not being sarcastic because that is absolutely accurate!

pomenitul, Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:28 (five years ago) link

In time we'll move to the second thoughts about second thoughts thread thread.

pomenitul, Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:28 (five years ago) link

Don't make permanence out the the throwaway or you will be locked in when the guard goes home.

(I translated this from the Latin in the Wetherspoons inside Lime Street station and it stuck with ever since)

saer, Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:31 (five years ago) link

pomtimism

gyac, Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:34 (five years ago) link

That's the spirit! I do believe my position, which boils down to 'we need MORE aesthetic diversity', is in fact the most optimistic of all.

pomenitul, Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:38 (five years ago) link

No jazz, no so-called 'world' music, no classical, no 'experimental', etc., and the real cause for dismay is the supposed lack of pop.

― pomenitul, Thursday, October 24, 2019 7:16 AM (four hours ago)

otm

Mordy, Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:30 (five years ago) link

Like the generic, linguistic, and geographic narrowness of (much of) pitchfork and these poll results bugs me, but I also don't get much out of, say, the Singles Jukebox's open-eared but naive--I don't mean that pejoratively--approach; I prefer to hear about specific scenes from people steeped in them.

Actually, TSJ has quite a few genre specialists, whether in Chilean electro pop, metal, etc.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:32 (five years ago) link

Every time I go to the supermarket, they blast Keith Rowe and John Tilbury's Duos for Doris, please help!

Die Todliche Doris

sarahell, Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:38 (five years ago) link

My supermarket does play some pretty good music tbf.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:46 (five years ago) link

My local supermarket, that is.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:47 (five years ago) link

Jelly.

pomenitul, Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:47 (five years ago) link

xpost
I believe you! I probably shouldn't have tried to pick an example since TSJ is if nothing else a shifting collection of individuals not a monolith. What I was hoping to express is that I genuinely admire TSJ's wide-open approach; it's basically unique right now afaict and is much better example of poptimism than the caricatured version pilloried around here lately. But the panel format often doesn't work for me. Given my own crit preferences and areas of special interest, I get easily annoyed when a writer is clearly hearing something they're unfamiliar with and is unable to situate the song in its local context. I used to assume "I don't like TSJ," but the idea of genreism struck me as a more useful explanation.

Mordy, pom, is there room in your critique for acknowledging that the version of "pop" represented here is dismayingly narrow? I'm not a country fan, but it belongs on that list too.

rob, Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:49 (five years ago) link

the version of "pop" represented here is dismayingly narrow

In my critique or in the poll results?

pomenitul, Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:50 (five years ago) link

Country only really sells in the US, if you want to narrow things further.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:51 (five years ago) link

+all electronic music except low-key house music.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:54 (five years ago) link

my local supermarket got bought by Amazon and since then the music has sucked, except for that one Fleetwood Mac song they seem to play at the same time every evening

sarahell, Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:54 (five years ago) link

I believe you! I probably shouldn't have tried to pick an example since TSJ is if nothing else a shifting collection of individuals not a monolith. What I was hoping to express is that I genuinely admire TSJ's wide-open approach; it's basically unique right now afaict and is much better example of poptimism than the caricatured version pilloried around here lately. But the panel format often doesn't work for me. Given my own crit preferences and areas of special interest, I get easily annoyed when a writer is clearly hearing something they're unfamiliar with and is unable to situate the song in its local context. I used to assume "I don't like TSJ," but the idea of genreism struck me as a more useful explanation.

.

― rob,

all good!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:56 (five years ago) link

♪♩♫ thunder only happens when it's raining ♪♫♪

*water gently sprays onto the produce section*

It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:57 (five years ago) link

+all electronic music except low-key house music.

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, October 24, 2019 8:54 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

selective ignorance of stars of the lid and oneohtrix point never placements

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:57 (five years ago) link


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