Posts you had second thought about and decided not to post - put them here

We should compare these two posters via analogies to bands that are influenced by other bands.

Like the Rolling Stones ...

wait, you guys don't listen to joe rogan? and I'm the troll? lol, ok...

He’s no gaz coombes. Sorry that’s just how I feel

talk about chalkchivanian and cheesby.

gods work right here calz

I miss nakh he was nice to me once

Very few threads on ilx are actually useful in a utilitarian way. The quality and quantity of Trump threads is as pointless to argue about as the best 100 albums by bands that start with the letter H

― sarahell

I can only get to about 75, and some of them might not count depending on how strict your criteria are:

Hagar the Womb - Break the Silence
Hail - Hello Debris
Hail Spirit Noir - Mayhem in Blue
Half Japanese - Half Gentlemen Not Beasts
Hall & Oates - Abandoned Luncheonette
Hallelujah Chicken Run Band - Take One
Hama - Houmeissa
Hammer Screwdriver - s/t
Hampton Grease Band - Music To Eat
Hangedup - Kicker In Tow

Hank Wood & the Hammerheads - s/t
The Happy Dragon Band - s/t
Happy End - Kazemachi Roman
Happy Family - s/t
Happy the Man - Crafty Hands
Haram - When You Have Won, You Have Lost
Hardwater - s/t
Harmonia - Deluxe
Harmonium - Si on avait besoin d'une cinqueme saison
Harpers Bizarre - Feelin' Groovy

Harpy - Do Not Eat
Hatfield and the North - s/t
Hawkwind - Warrior on the Edge of Time
The HE 5 - Merry Christmas Psychedelic Sound
The Head Shop - s/t
Headstone Circus - s/t
The Heartbreakers - L.A.M.F.
Hearts & Minds - Electroradiance
Heavy Vegetable - Frisbie
Hedningarna - Hippjokk

Heimat - s/t
Helado Negro - This Is How You Smile
Heldon - Stand By
The Heliocentrics & Mulatu Astatke - Inspiration Information
Hellripper - Coagulating Darkness
Hellwitch - Szygial Miscreancy
Helmet - Meantime
Help - The Second Coming
Helvetia - The Clever North Wind
Henry Cow - In Praise of Learning

The Heptones - Party Time
Herpes - Medellin
Het Pandorra Ensemble - III
Hieroglyphic Being - The Disco's of Imhotep
High Contrast - High Society
The High Fidelity - s/t
The High Llamas - Gideon Gaye
High Rise - Live
High Tide - Sea Shanties
Him - Many In High Places Are Not Well

Hirax - Hate, Fear and Power
The Holy Modal Rounders - The Moray Eels Eat the Holy Modal Rounders
Holy Sons - Decline of the West vol. I & II
The Holydrug Couple - Hyper Super Mega
Home - Falling Into Place
Homicide - Illsurrekshun
Honeyelk - En Quete D'un Monde Meilleur
The Honeymoon Killers - Les Tueurs de la Lune de Miel
Hopeajarvi - s/t
The Horrific Child - L'etrange Monsieur Whinster

Horse - For Twisted Minds Only
Hosome - New Fascio
Hot Butter - More Hot Butter
Hotel X - Routes Music
Hotline - You Are Mine
Hotzenplotz - Songs Aus Der Show
Hound - Out of Time
Houndog - s/t
However - Sudden Dusk
HP Lovecraft - II

The Hua Family Shawm Band - Walking Shrill
Hugo Largo - Mettle
The Human League - Dare
Hunger - The Lost Album
Husker Du - New Day Rising
Hussalonia - Home Taping Is Killing Me
The Hypnotic Brass Ensemble - s/t

helium - the dirt of luck

Heart and Haim were robbed

I’m not getting any of these jokes and I’m very annoyed

Least relatable post ever.

hmmmmm

If you think this place isn't poptimistic enough, we must not be living in the same universe.

Haha I also felt slighted by that remark but from the other side

I think there's truth in all perspectives here

Don't you 'both sides' me! Entire genres are absent from these polls, fuck giving more space to the same old hegemonic shit everyone already knows about.

There is indeed too much indie in the albums poll. But the corrective certainly isn't more chart pop.

I’ll both sides you as much as like!

Matt has an excellent point but the poptimist post is more like “the wrong people are posting here”.

No jazz, no so-called 'world' music, no classical, no 'experimental', etc., and the real cause for dismay is the supposed lack of pop.

And not just any pop. English-language pop.

you must not know about me

I don't, no. Which is fine – relative anonymity is the great equalizer.

Pop made it to #47, what more do you want?

You don't understand. Anglo pop may seem ubiquitous but it is actually oppressed by rockists and their hegemonic ideology of authenticity.

Every time I go to the supermarket, they blast Keith Rowe and John Tilbury's Duos for Doris, please help!

oh i forgot this was happening

I know entire genres are absent and it annoys me too, but this is breastcrawl's lament for a specific form of cultural positioning that certainly had (has?) its place. Although I'd say reports of its demise are exaggerated

It would have had its place in a completely different context. As it stands, it's just the same old Anglo-American (indie) rockist vs poptimist tertium non datur turf war that knowingly ignores impossibly large swathes of music, some of which happen to be as immense as entire continents. What are the chances that, say, Toumani Diabaté's The Mandé Variations – a relatively well-known 'world' music album that I voted for – will place at this point? I hope to be pleasantly surprised, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

good point, well made tbh

polling is, i would argue, fundamentally not an effective means of challenging hegemony and "consensus". if you want to poll a population of, largely, anglo-americans on "music" and somehow get results that aren't dominated by anglo-american pop-rock the only way to do that is to write the rules so as to exclude anglo-america pop-rock.

Exclude Anglo-American voters.

Tom otm

Trolling aside, I don't disagree with you, Kate, but bringing up this issue on the poll's margins is fair game imho, as is expecting more from music nerds, regardless of their cultural background. I don't know if you voted, incidentally, but you're precisely the kind of ILXor I expect to come up with a fascinating and genuinely diverse ballot.

No jazz, no so-called 'world' music, no classical, no 'experimental', etc., and the real cause for dismay is the supposed lack of pop.

― pomenitul, Thursday, October 24, 2019 7:16 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

ok lol I missed this was the thread for meta commentary. pomenitul was it you or imago (or someone else, sorry) who recently said something about the rolling threads not being poptimist so much as genreist? That seemed otm to me and describes my own stance better than poptimism. Like the generic, linguistic, and geographic narrowness of (much of) pitchfork and these poll results bugs me, but I also don't get much out of, say, the Singles Jukebox's open-eared but naive--I don't mean that pejoratively--approach; I prefer to hear about specific scenes from people steeped in them. I suspect breastcrawl is actually closer to this position too but identifies as a poptimist because his favored genres are global pop (apologies if that's off base, and I know you like other stuff too).

It wasn't me, but that makes some amount of sense, even though I do think poptimism (which I define as a preference for short, catchy *songs* with vocals, which may in fact include rock) is still the main, overrepresented force in these polls and on ILM in general.

this is definitely the right thread to be refighting the poptimism wars in for the 10,000th time

I hope you're not being sarcastic because that is absolutely accurate!

In time we'll move to the second thoughts about second thoughts thread thread.

Don't make permanence out the the throwaway or you will be locked in when the guard goes home.

(I translated this from the Latin in the Wetherspoons inside Lime Street station and it stuck with ever since)

pomtimism

http://www.pomwonderful.com/content/dam/pom/images/product-pomegranate.png

That's the spirit! I do believe my position, which boils down to 'we need MORE aesthetic diversity', is in fact the most optimistic of all.

No jazz, no so-called 'world' music, no classical, no 'experimental', etc., and the real cause for dismay is the supposed lack of pop.

― pomenitul, Thursday, October 24, 2019 7:16 AM (four hours ago)

otm

Like the generic, linguistic, and geographic narrowness of (much of) pitchfork and these poll results bugs me, but I also don't get much out of, say, the Singles Jukebox's open-eared but naive--I don't mean that pejoratively--approach; I prefer to hear about specific scenes from people steeped in them.

Actually, TSJ has quite a few genre specialists, whether in Chilean electro pop, metal, etc.

Every time I go to the supermarket, they blast Keith Rowe and John Tilbury's Duos for Doris, please help!

Die Todliche Doris

My supermarket does play some pretty good music tbf.

My local supermarket, that is.

Jelly.

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I believe you! I probably shouldn't have tried to pick an example since TSJ is if nothing else a shifting collection of individuals not a monolith. What I was hoping to express is that I genuinely admire TSJ's wide-open approach; it's basically unique right now afaict and is much better example of poptimism than the caricatured version pilloried around here lately. But the panel format often doesn't work for me. Given my own crit preferences and areas of special interest, I get easily annoyed when a writer is clearly hearing something they're unfamiliar with and is unable to situate the song in its local context. I used to assume "I don't like TSJ," but the idea of genreism struck me as a more useful explanation.

Mordy, pom, is there room in your critique for acknowledging that the version of "pop" represented here is dismayingly narrow? I'm not a country fan, but it belongs on that list too.

the version of "pop" represented here is dismayingly narrow

In my critique or in the poll results?

Country only really sells in the US, if you want to narrow things further.