Breaking 170 is looking likely, esp if you throw in the Greens.
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 02:59 (four years ago) link
would have liked to see a few more ndp seats...
― Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 03:10 (four years ago) link
NDP not having a good showing but still has the balance of power. Lisa Raitt and Goodale both losing their seats (probably). One more seat than I expected for the Greens.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 03:11 (four years ago) link
Also lol @ “mad max”
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 03:14 (four years ago) link
What a sack of shit you are max
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 03:14 (four years ago) link
Too early to call for Goodale really.
― everything, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 03:17 (four years ago) link
If we carved out the large stretch of land including Nunavut, northern Manitoba, and northern Ontario, we could orm a social democratic republic. Maybe we should all move there and separate. Weather might be better on Pacific coast, though.
xps yeah, I expect Goodale to pull through.
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 03:18 (four years ago) link
Ok. Goodale was destroyed! Hope some ridings in BC turn so dramatically from the liberals - to ndp. Ie. Van centre
― everything, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 03:39 (four years ago) link
Theres no way van centre, van granville, or burnaby north seymour are going to go ndp imo. Van granville looking to go Tory even
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 03:40 (four years ago) link
Oh Jody Wilson-Raybould is ahead now
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 03:48 (four years ago) link
I am sad about svend
― Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 03:54 (four years ago) link
did tories really win popular vote?
Van Centre wont go ndp tonight but with Hedy gone next time and Breen again, it might.
― everything, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 04:09 (four years ago) link
34% isn't winning imo but, yes, it looks like they did get more votes than any other individual party, certainly less than Liberals + NDP together.
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 04:36 (four years ago) link
The 25 NDP MPs will have a lot more influence than the larger number under Mulcair and the far larger number under Layton in the previous Parliament, and I'm glad it's happening under Singh and with the current NDP platform. I'm interested in where their losses were, though. Was it mostly QC seats that went to the Bloc??
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 04:45 (four years ago) link
ya - looks like they got smoked in QC and possibly lost a couple in the prairies
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 04:50 (four years ago) link
Does anyone know much about the Fredericton riding? Is it centred around a university? I'm curious about the Green pickup there.
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 04:57 (four years ago) link
he holds the balance of power tho, so despite losing a bunch of seats he arguably has more power than any federal NDP leader in my lifetime.xpost
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 04:58 (four years ago) link
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Monday, October 21, 2019 9:57 PM (five minutes ago)bookmarkflaglink
It has 2 universities and a college and has elected a green mla a couple times
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 05:03 (four years ago) link
he holds the balance of power tho, so despite losing a bunch of seats he arguably has more power than any federal NDP leader in my lifetime.
Layton was in a similar situation under Martin but, yep, I totally agree that Singh's caucus will have more power than the NDP had in the two previous Parliaments; that was what I meant.
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 05:13 (four years ago) link
Thanks, jim.
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 05:14 (four years ago) link
looks like the east coast were hit with misleading robocalls from one of the "canada proud/strong" groups. hopefully more than some rando jr staffer go to prison over this. conservatives got off super easy last time, so obviously we're seeing it happening again.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 05:14 (four years ago) link
xpost - i had totally forgot how close that minority situation was for Martin/Layton.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 05:17 (four years ago) link
Trudeau sorta looking like the loser there.
― everything, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 05:24 (four years ago) link
those speeches were a clusterfuck
― Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 06:10 (four years ago) link
Like Simon said, this is the best possible realistic outcome. It’s sad to see the NDP get swept off the map in Quebec by the Bloc, though – the latter have more seats than the former now.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 07:38 (four years ago) link
As for Scheer, he just wasn't ready.
(Sorry.)
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 08:52 (four years ago) link
Trudeau a genius for not doing electoral reform (Scheer won the popular vote).
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 12:00 (four years ago) link
come on now Justin, let's buy all them oilfields
― maffew12, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 12:11 (four years ago) link
If it'd been a multiparty system it had been a landslide for the center-left, though? Liberals + NDP + Green gets 55% of the vote, that's a lot!
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 12:15 (four years ago) link
The really wild vote/seat discrepancy is that the NDP got double the Bloc's votes but 8 fewer seats
― rob, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 12:20 (four years ago) link
I'm extremely pleased that Bernier has failed so completely he/his party aren't even being mentioned in the round-up coverage
― rob, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 12:22 (four years ago) link
Sole downside is little to no vote splitting on the right.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 12:23 (four years ago) link
yes the bloc does rather poorly outside Quebec.....
― maffew12, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 12:23 (four years ago) link
I was referring to the PPC but maybe I'm missing something?
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 12:26 (four years ago) link
Is there a compelling explanation beyond simple racism for the NDP's collapse in support in QC?
― Simon H., Tuesday, 22 October 2019 13:10 (four years ago) link
I'd say a mix of racism, nationalism and dogmatic laïcité (almost but not quite the same thing).
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 13:14 (four years ago) link
Close enough.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 22 October 2019 13:15 (four years ago) link
Plus, with Legault at the helm, Quebec is actively trying to shed whatever left-wing cred it may have garnered over the past few decades, so today's results are also an extension of that.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 13:16 (four years ago) link
Any thoughts on Montreal's near unanimity for the Liberals?
― rob, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 13:21 (four years ago) link
on economic and environmental issues, Bloc platform was extremely robust - at least as good as NDP
re montrealpeople don't like Laicité here, so Bloc will struggleNDP barely fought the election outside of Boulerice's riding
― sean gramophone, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 13:35 (four years ago) link
I feel like if Québec Solidaire could elect several MPs in Montreal, NDP could have also. That seems like a missed opportunity.
― silverfish, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 14:05 (four years ago) link
agree 100%
― sean gramophone, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 14:07 (four years ago) link
Not sure what you mean? It is a mulitparty system and it was a victory for the centre-left. The Liberals are definitely going to work with the NDP to govern. Do you mean if it were a PR system?
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 14:32 (four years ago) link
Quebec Solidaire is much much closer to Bloc in essence than the NDP. QS are really just nationalist that dislike the PQ/Bloc going increasingly right wing since Parizeau/Bouchard.
I really believed there was more dissatisfaction with Trudeau in Montreal.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 15:34 (four years ago) link
Like Simon said, this is the best possible realistic outcome.
It's actually my preferred outcome. For their faults, the Liberals are the party of federalism, multiculturalism, and bilingualism, and I think they are the best option to fight nationalism and xenophobia. Trudeau is - ironically - much more willing to fight Bill 21 than Singh, for example. I also think they have done OK with the economy. Needing NDP/Green support should hopefully pull them left on the environment and economic/labour justice and discourage corruption.
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 15:56 (four years ago) link
the cynic in me thinks that if the NDP does manage to wring concessions, the Libs will just fold the associated progress into their brand and secure a majority next time out
― Simon H., Tuesday, 22 October 2019 15:58 (four years ago) link
Makes sense! I definitely feel optimistic going forward, especially since I plan on moving back asap.
xp
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 15:59 (four years ago) link
xpyeah slowly understanding the Canadian political system has entailed slowly realizing how similar it is to the US two-party system in terms of outcome. That said, pulling the Dems to the left is the best possible national-level political goal, so a Liberal party that sees moving left as the way to secure a majority doesn't strike me as so bad (of course, the idea that "third" parties could hold power is literally foreign to me, so I understand the disappointment).
― rob, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 16:07 (four years ago) link
― Simon H., Tuesday, October 22, 2019 8:58 AM (seven minutes ago)
i think the other problem is when you're a party with 15% propping up a larger party you'll also get the blame when things go wrong - which they definitely will this parliament, we're due a downturn for instance
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 16:08 (four years ago) link