A compromise is possible
figured it out.... marvel fans can call their movies “cimena”• it’s not “cinema” so martin will be happy • still pretty close to “cinema”• you sound like a widdle baby when you say it, which you are— jos (@josiahhughes) October 21, 2019
― YouGov to see it (wins), Monday, 21 October 2019 10:01 (four years ago) link
It’s just very funny how insecure nerds are in their complete cultural supremacy. Like calm down, Disney will be fine, they will keep shitting these things out forever whether or not acclaimed directors say they’re good when asked by interviewers. Unfortunately.
― YouGov to see it (wins), Monday, 21 October 2019 10:04 (four years ago) link
these same directors loved the B-movie dross of their own childhood (as do I!), it definitely stinks of "old man yelling at cloud" shenanigans
― Nhex, Monday, 21 October 2019 12:55 (four years ago) link
There is much to love in ye olde B Movie dross that doesn't apply to the machine-tooled fan servicey precision of your modern comicbook movies
― Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 October 2019 13:01 (four years ago) link
yeah, like humanity
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 October 2019 13:03 (four years ago) link
this millennium is boring
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 October 2019 13:04 (four years ago) link
yeah I think I meant to use "sterility" rather than "precision"
― Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 October 2019 13:05 (four years ago) link
Dr Morbius will today be played by Mel Brooks.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 21 October 2019 13:08 (four years ago) link
The Superhero movies aren't B-movies by any definition of the term. Also, I hate everyone on every side of this debate. The mega-directors of Hollywood who despair because two old idiots don't like what they do, and the two old idiots who wants to define what is cinema and what is not.
― Frederik B, Monday, 21 October 2019 13:11 (four years ago) link
i'm not sure if giving your opinion when your asked a question about something is the same as wanting to gatekeep cinema
― Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 October 2019 13:15 (four years ago) link
The real villains here are the idiot interviewers who keep thinking the most interesting thing you can ask a grandee of American cinema is “no for real though what about avenger 4”
― YouGov to see it (wins), Monday, 21 October 2019 13:17 (four years ago) link
― Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), 21. oktober 2019 15:15 (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
When the opinion is 'that is not cinema!' then I don't see the confusion?
― Frederik B, Monday, 21 October 2019 13:28 (four years ago) link
The implication of that is "to me", I'm pretty sure he's not going to tell aficionados of the genre that they can't use the word
― Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 October 2019 13:33 (four years ago) link
Oh, come on
― Frederik B, Monday, 21 October 2019 13:41 (four years ago) link
Well if you want a moratorium on ridiculous generalising opinions
― Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 October 2019 13:44 (four years ago) link
I do! Of course I do! They're bad.
― Frederik B, Monday, 21 October 2019 13:49 (four years ago) link
and the two old idiots who wants to define what is cinema and what is not
Scorsese is not trying to police anyone's taste. As for being an idiot...
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 October 2019 14:15 (four years ago) link
the whole kerfluffle reminds me of when I referred to the first Iron Man movie, shortly after release, as "kind of shitty" cultural entertainment to an ex's friend and I had to backtrack when it was clear I hurt his feelings
but really, it's fine to enjoy all kinds of movies and books, whatever, and not everything needs to make you question your norms or inspire more deliberate thought. I tried to explain that I'd probably be watching all the comic book movies myself, but as far as media consumption goes, it's not going to shake up your outlook on life or leave you pondering the message of the plot.
the inability of people to understand a couple of guys can share a negative take on their overproduced fairy tale movie adventures and it doesn't mean it's to be evaluated as an objective truth is something that's lost on people and it's frankly mystifying
― mh, Monday, 21 October 2019 14:31 (four years ago) link
we should section off theaters in the way we do bookstores: everything gets labeled as "cinema" (literature) or "genre fiction" and then people can argue forever about how there is/isn't a distinction
― mh, Monday, 21 October 2019 14:34 (four years ago) link
That's such a bad idea
― Frederik B, Monday, 21 October 2019 14:54 (four years ago) link
thank you! that was the aim
― mh, Monday, 21 October 2019 14:56 (four years ago) link
The point Scorsese emphasized in his followup remarks is that the production of other kinds of films is ending bcz of the comic-book epics. Per this thread i posted elsewhere, that is a stone fact.
Thread: If you think "Every Movie In Theaters Is A Marvel Movie" is false let me tell you a little story. I chose BODIED to get a small theatrical run of about 15 theaters. These types of deals are pretty much ineffective and just filmmaker ego driven - vanity rewards.— Joseph Kahn (@JosephKahn) October 14, 2019
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:03 (four years ago) link
But that's not the fault of 'super-hero' cinema! That's a logical continuation of the blockbuster / tentpole paradigm established by Lucas and Spielberg! Without Superheroes, Disney would still make exclusively remakes of old cartoons, and Warner Brothers would make a gritty reboot of The Wizard of Oz, or something.
― Frederik B, Monday, 21 October 2019 15:13 (four years ago) link
That's same shithead as earlier - I notice you didn't post his tweet about how if Marvel want to make serious cinematic movies, they should look at what DC are doing.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 21 October 2019 15:15 (four years ago) link
bcz I don't give a fuck
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:37 (four years ago) link
a fuckitty flying fuckitty fuck, in fact
it's like the dietary equivalent of theaters serving a guaranteed four screens worth of Doritos every week, and if you blink and miss the moment they shove a nice dish out on the buffet for a week, you'll get more Doritos
I love some Doritos in moderation, but this is getting insane
― mh, Monday, 21 October 2019 15:42 (four years ago) link
gentlemen you can't kvetch about comicbook movies in here, this is the Disney-Fox thread
― Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:44 (four years ago) link
yeah but superhero movies are the movies that are doing it now, today - whatever their antecedents are, the effect theyre having is what it is. Its not like he should have said 'those movies aren't cinema, nor would a theoretical different bad movie be, if it were to be made in an alternate universe where comic book movies don't exist."
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Monday, 21 October 2019 16:15 (four years ago) link
it's like the dietary equivalent of theaters serving a guaranteed four screens worth of Doritos every week, and if you blink and miss the moment they shove a nice dish out on the buffet for a week, you'll get more DoritosI love some Doritos in moderation, but this is getting insane
― YouGov to see it (wins), Monday, 21 October 2019 16:24 (four years ago) link
― Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 October 2019 16:25 (four years ago) link
'not food' is the analogy there.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 21 October 2019 16:32 (four years ago) link
I think Scorsese et al would argue that what is being served is not cuisine
― mh, Monday, 21 October 2019 16:37 (four years ago) link
in any case, as a friend is fond of quoting, there are many things you can eat that are not food
Are there really people who believe that what Scorsese meant was that marvel movies are literally not movies?
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Monday, 21 October 2019 16:49 (four years ago) link
'I hate all these burger bars, they're not cuisine'
That guy would be laughed at :)
― Frederik B, Monday, 21 October 2019 16:51 (four years ago) link
Yes, it’s silly of him to prefer to eat better food
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Monday, 21 October 2019 16:53 (four years ago) link
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), 21. oktober 2019 18:49 (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink
He literally continued: Honestly, the closest I can think of them, as well made as they are, with actors doing the best they can under the circumstances, is theme parks. I think you're underestimating how stupid Scorsese is.
― Frederik B, Monday, 21 October 2019 16:53 (four years ago) link
So the way you interpret that quote is that he is so stupid he literally thinks they are theme parks
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Monday, 21 October 2019 16:55 (four years ago) link
Can somebody cut and paste the definition of "rhetoric" cos I can't be bothered
― Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 October 2019 16:56 (four years ago) link
oh fred b has bullshit opinions on things other than politics? who knew
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Monday, 21 October 2019 16:58 (four years ago) link
we oft misunderestimate him
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 October 2019 17:01 (four years ago) link
i also wd prefer you not post an opinion on a film in response to me ever, fred
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 October 2019 17:02 (four years ago) link
It is bemusing how this is even controversial. People enjoy theme parks.
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Monday, 21 October 2019 17:17 (four years ago) link
I think it's more bemusing that so many people want to defend the comments when they are obviously wrong and stupid.
― Frederik B, Monday, 21 October 2019 17:20 (four years ago) link
imo both Scorsese and Coppola have comprehensible opinions *and* I enjoy most of these flicks
since I can't move beyond one analogy, it's like someone telling you they don't like a restaurant because the food is bland, but you go there on occasion because it's comfort food. you completely understand why they have no interest in it, but you're up for small doses yourself
― mh, Monday, 21 October 2019 17:28 (four years ago) link
I'm currently pondering what the first Fox property is that Disney will remake. Live action version of Fox Animation's Anastastia? Hrrm, probably not
― mh, Monday, 21 October 2019 17:30 (four years ago) link
many xps to the morbs tweet but, director's point aside, Bodied kind of sucked.
I think of superhero movies as in the same category as Broadway spectaculars; there are good and bad ones and some can be subversive and some are poisonous and occasionally there's a run of Uncle Vanya. More often it is variants on The Black Crook.https://www.nypl.org/blog/2011/06/02/musical-month-black-crook
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 21 October 2019 18:08 (four years ago) link
The crying over this is some ugly sore winner shit imo, whole industries devoted to catering to your shitty tastes but you still get to come the embattled outsider because the old man was MEAN about captain America wahA while ago I came up with the idea for a gritty reboot of “it’s a good life”, that classic twilight zone ep where the kid is the centre of the universe and so everyone else is forced to watch the same baby programme and have birthday cake for dinner every single day. The only thing thing you need to change is make him a 30something and the punishment for any reaction short of rictus-grin approbation is to be turned into a funko pop
― YouGov to see it (wins), Monday, 21 October 2019 19:30 (four years ago) link
well said
― mh, Monday, 21 October 2019 19:32 (four years ago) link