PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

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Damn. I'm on my phone, will fp fred later when I get home.

calzino, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:42 (six years ago)

Got your back calz, please give Douglas an extra pet from me

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:43 (six years ago)

He's just having sedation for a pad he ripped on barbed wire to be stitched up. Not a good day forhim :(

calzino, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:44 (six years ago)

thoughts and prayers

expedited frictionless convergences (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 18 October 2019 15:54 (six years ago)

getting a bit squeaky bum time

be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:08 (six years ago)

Gauke is backing

stet, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:08 (six years ago)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13ghQytueisTWtO12HXvCSyRV_LnPGlDJob8rJWLVKe8/edit#gid=0

be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:17 (six years ago)

hnnnngggggggghhhhh

expedited frictionless convergences (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:21 (six years ago)

Rory Fucking Stewart now's your moment

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:22 (six years ago)

if letwin passes tomorrow... no meaningful vote -> extension -> ???

??? is that right ?

be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:23 (six years ago)

Yesterday the government was defeated by 12 votes on a motion tabled by Sir Oliver Letwin, the former Tory cabinet minister, ensuring that, when the Commons votes on the Brexit deal tomorrow, it will be possible for MPs to debate and vote on multiple amendments. For obvious reasons, the government wanted to restrict the chances for its motion to be amended.

Taking advantage of his own rule change, Letwin has tabled an amendment to the government motion tomorrow. It has heavyweight, cross-party support, with those backing it including Hilary Benn, the Labour chair of the Brexit committee, Jo Swinson, the Lib Dem leader, and Philip Hammond, the former chancellor.

You can read the text of the Letwin amendment on the order paper here (pdf). The amendment would remove almost all the government motion (which says the Commons has approved the Brexit deal) and says the Commons is withholding approval of the deal until the legislation implementing it has been passed.

As Letwin explained in the debate yesterday, his aim is to close a loophole in the Benn act. The legislation forces the PM to request a Brexit extension if a deal has not been passed by the end of tomorrow. A vote in favour of the deal tomorrow would have meant there was no need for the PM to request an extension. But if the withdrawal agreement bill (WAB) failed to get through parliament by 31 October, the UK could end up leaving with no deal by accident. Letwin’s amendment would lead to the PM having to request an extension tomorrow, on the proviso that if the WAB gets through by the end of October, at that point the extension would be withdrawn. You could call it a backstop.

The Benn act passed by 29 votes at second reading and it is likely that the Letwin amendment, which is just intended to copper bottom the Benn act, will also pass tomorrow.

If it does, the make-or-break vote on Johnson’s deal will never actually take place. Instead MPs will vote on a bland motion (see below), which could go through on the nod.

At that point, if Johnson complies with the assurances that he gave to the court of session in Scotland, he will have to write a letter to the EU requesting an extension.

And at that point Johnson would have to decide whether to try to pass his withdrawal agreement bill by 31 October, to release him from the obligation to take up the extension - or whether to accept the extension, and then hold the election that Labour has promised to back in the event of an extension happening. He would campaign promising to implement his Brexit deal - against Labour promising a further negotiation.

This is starting to get speculative, but what is clear is that there is now a real chance that “Super Saturday” could turn out not to be the make-or-break Brexit moment people have been expecting.

Assuming that Letwin’s amendment passes, this is the motion, as amended, that MPs would be voting on. (The Letwin text, replacing 12 lines in the original, is in bold.)

That, in light of the new deal agreed with the European Union, which enables the United Kingdom to respect the result of the referendum on its membership of the European Union and to leave the European Union on 31 October with a deal, this house has considered the matter but withholds approval unless and until implementing legislation is passed.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:23 (six years ago)

cometh the hour, cometh the homonculus

cps

be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:24 (six years ago)

xps*

be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:24 (six years ago)

That's from The Guardian on the amendment

xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:25 (six years ago)

meanwhile it's all going off in Barcelona

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:28 (six years ago)

He's just having sedation for a pad he ripped on barbed wire to be stitched up. Not a good day forhim :(


Poor angel, hope he heals up soon!

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:40 (six years ago)

if letwin passes tomorrow... no meaningful vote -> extension -> ???

??? is that right ?


Yes

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:41 (six years ago)

Extension till when, though?

pomenitul, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:41 (six years ago)

mid Jan iirc?

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:43 (six years ago)

31st January

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:45 (six years ago)

Thx.

pomenitul, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:45 (six years ago)

Rudd is backing Letwin.

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:57 (six years ago)

edging towards a Christmas election, what a treat

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:58 (six years ago)

It would be preferable to have an election after a harsh winter has killed off loadsa old bastards

calzino, Friday, 18 October 2019 17:01 (six years ago)

Entirely different subject...but fucking funny

Chick-fil-A managed to last 8 days in the UK 🏳️‍🌈 https://t.co/gGw2lbN1Aq

— Jonathon (@coffeemadman) October 18, 2019

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2019 17:16 (six years ago)

Thank fuck there’s a film festival on in my city this week (and I’m not a psychopath who checks my phone in the cinema), I can spend all tomorrow watching films and not compulsive checking this bullshit every five minutes

YouGov to see it (wins), Friday, 18 October 2019 18:16 (six years ago)

I'll be watching a Blackburn v Town stream early KO, drinking early, constantly shaking my head at wtf is going on and watching it all horribly unfold. Will be checking on the WA vote in parliament as well.

calzino, Friday, 18 October 2019 18:35 (six years ago)

im 8 hours behind the uk and a late riser on weekends so i will wake up to the results. a bit like fucking christmas morning, but much shittier

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Friday, 18 October 2019 18:36 (six years ago)

lmao

https://i.redd.it/sr00c9o5ibt31.jpg

posting an image rather than a link because virgin deleted their tweet after this epic dunk

expedited frictionless convergences (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 18 October 2019 18:46 (six years ago)

Booming Tweet

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Friday, 18 October 2019 18:47 (six years ago)

keep dunking on them until they are too scared to post!

calzino, Friday, 18 October 2019 18:54 (six years ago)

when I think about it if alcohol prices had inflated at the same rate as train tickets since the 90's you'd be paying something like £35 for a 4-pack of Stella

calzino, Friday, 18 October 2019 19:13 (six years ago)

I really hope Letwin passes because the number of Labour MPs pledging to back the deal is edging ominously upwards.

Matt DC, Friday, 18 October 2019 20:44 (six years ago)

I read that at first thinking Letwin was poorly. Thought it was a bit brutal..

Mark G, Friday, 18 October 2019 21:23 (six years ago)

(xp) Yes, this prompted a rare bust up between me and Comrade Alphabet earlier on, but I have zero confidence in these spineless cunts not to fold and hand this shitshow on a plate to the ERG and the Britannia Unchained ghouls.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Friday, 18 October 2019 21:51 (six years ago)

heard the *surprising* reveal that Gauke has come out for the WA on 5 live earlier. Wow I really thought this guy who had no objections to the nationwide UC rollout when he had the DWP brief was one of the more thoughtful and nice tories.

calzino, Friday, 18 October 2019 22:47 (six years ago)

just heard Super Saturday used on 5 live as well, lol

calzino, Friday, 18 October 2019 23:01 (six years ago)

Here's another one. Labour MPs are going to give us not only Brexit but God knows how many years of Boris Johnson as Prime Minister.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/18/labours-melanie-onn-declares-intention-to-vote-for-brexit-deal

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Friday, 18 October 2019 23:10 (six years ago)

fucking Grimsby, bomb the shithole.

calzino, Friday, 18 October 2019 23:15 (six years ago)

O_O

The Boris deal gives companies a strong incentive to relocate to Northern Ireland. They’d benefit from frictionless EU access and future UK trade deals. Makes for a richer Ulster and, ergo, a stronger union. Leader in the Spectator: https://t.co/ZX9diw1xHL

— Fraser Nelson (@FraserNelson) October 18, 2019

What a ridiculous clusterfuck of totally uncool jokers (jed_), Friday, 18 October 2019 23:22 (six years ago)

people in Sheffield are offering to drive Jared O'Mara to London

calzino, Friday, 18 October 2019 23:57 (six years ago)

Or, you know, cutting out Northern Ireland could piss the unionists off

This is from a hardline loyalist. Says if NI can’t Brexit on same terms as rest of the UK the DUP should vote for *revocation* of A50. In dispatching the DUP in the way they did, wonder if Downing St have much idea of what they might have unleashed...https://t.co/4jrCkREeh2

— Lewis Goodall (@lewis_goodall) October 18, 2019

stet, Saturday, 19 October 2019 00:10 (six years ago)

"the Betrayal Act" they might end up regretting using such hateful and divisive remainer rhetoric :p

calzino, Saturday, 19 October 2019 00:19 (six years ago)

Just very openly admitting they pushed through austerity knowing the damage it would cause https://t.co/X7e25LvwtC

— Dawn Foster (@DawnHFoster) October 18, 2019

Tim Farron taking confession and admitting he and his party are a set of complete cunts

calzino, Saturday, 19 October 2019 00:24 (six years ago)

that is a staggering thing to actually say out loud.

What a ridiculous clusterfuck of totally uncool jokers (jed_), Saturday, 19 October 2019 00:54 (six years ago)

Here's another one. Labour MPs are going to give us not only Brexit but God knows how many years of Boris Johnson as Prime Minister.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/18/labours-melanie-onn-declares-intention-to-vote-for-brexit-deal🕸🕸


i mean you can say this as much as you want:

It is utterly extraordinary that some Labour MPs believe this tripe spewed out by Number 10 is some sort of “legally binding” commitment to maintaining workers’ rights and environmental standards.

Not only is it ridiculously ambiguous, it doesn’t promise *anything* of the sort. pic.twitter.com/roKeziWYXR

— Evolve Politics (@evolvepolitics) October 18, 2019



but it’s about having an *excuse* to vote for it, not its credibility, which any fule must see is zero.

more general lesson, take an alternative view to Tom D on politics at your peril (in this case on whether there are or are not the numbers for a deal). you to be vigilant with your cynicism towards politicians.

Fizzles, Saturday, 19 October 2019 04:03 (six years ago)

Yes, there are echoes of the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 October 2019 07:36 (six years ago)

Just saw someone on Twitter outraged at a use of Super Saturday to refer to anything except the day that Team GB win six medals at the 2012 olympics.

Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 19 October 2019 08:32 (six years ago)

“...we’ll leave the showdown in Central Lobby between Gareth Snell and Caroline Lucas for now to go over to Steve Baker on College Green. Chris - how’s things looking with the ERG?” #SuperSaturday pic.twitter.com/p5T8I9zlrL

— Jack Tindale (@JackTindale) October 19, 2019

gyac, Saturday, 19 October 2019 08:40 (six years ago)

Just saw someone on Twitter outraged at a use of Super Saturday to refer to anything except the day that Team GB win six medals at the 2012 olympics.


lol. tho through my regular enforced exposure to sky’s super saturday/sunday football bombast, seeing it bleed into regular news coverage has been nauseating.

Fizzles, Saturday, 19 October 2019 08:42 (six years ago)


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