PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

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I mean, my view is pretty fuzzy from all the way over here, but...is this thing really likely to pass largely on the basis of those involved being a gaggle of fidgety adolescents who are just like soooo bored and want to get this stupid boring thing over with already gawd, ugh?

Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Friday, 18 October 2019 15:11 (six years ago)

Labour backing Letwin. It’s ON.

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:11 (six years ago)

'The suspense is terrible. I hope it will last…' – some Brit iirc.

pomenitul, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:12 (six years ago)

xps to visiting Americans (always welcome itt): possibly but an amendment to delay the vote and force an extension has a pretty good chance of passing tomorrow

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:12 (six years ago)

(That was deliberate btw.)

pomenitul, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:12 (six years ago)

'The suspense is terrible. I hope it will last…' – some Brit iirc.


You’re trolling me right?

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:13 (six years ago)

second premature post of the day but by no means the worst

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:13 (six years ago)

:)

pomenitul, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:13 (six years ago)

Where'd deems go btw?

pomenitul, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:14 (six years ago)

Not sure, hope he’s ok

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:16 (six years ago)

As far away from this thread as he can go.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Friday, 18 October 2019 15:16 (six years ago)

Currently 3/4 up Big Ben.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:16 (six years ago)

He mentioned going away somewhere, on holiday I assume, in the course of one his effing and blinding Spurs rants recently.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Friday, 18 October 2019 15:17 (six years ago)

I hope for his sake he's on vacation holiday then.

pomenitul, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:19 (six years ago)

> Currently 3/4 up Big Ben

this is the very opposite of a ditch

koogs, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:20 (six years ago)

I spoke to him in the week, he's probably enjoying some time away from ILX

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Friday, 18 October 2019 15:20 (six years ago)

I hope for his sake he's on (-vacation-) holiday then.


ar a laethanta saoire

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:23 (six years ago)

Thanks lads!

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:24 (six years ago)

enjoying some time away from ILX


can’t relate

expedited frictionless convergences (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 18 October 2019 15:39 (six years ago)

I've thankfully got enough time to meet my next important deadline but procrastination is a helluva drug.

pomenitul, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:40 (six years ago)

Damn. I'm on my phone, will fp fred later when I get home.

calzino, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:42 (six years ago)

Got your back calz, please give Douglas an extra pet from me

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:43 (six years ago)

He's just having sedation for a pad he ripped on barbed wire to be stitched up. Not a good day forhim :(

calzino, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:44 (six years ago)

thoughts and prayers

expedited frictionless convergences (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 18 October 2019 15:54 (six years ago)

getting a bit squeaky bum time

be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:08 (six years ago)

Gauke is backing

stet, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:08 (six years ago)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13ghQytueisTWtO12HXvCSyRV_LnPGlDJob8rJWLVKe8/edit#gid=0

be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:17 (six years ago)

hnnnngggggggghhhhh

expedited frictionless convergences (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:21 (six years ago)

Rory Fucking Stewart now's your moment

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:22 (six years ago)

if letwin passes tomorrow... no meaningful vote -> extension -> ???

??? is that right ?

be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:23 (six years ago)

Yesterday the government was defeated by 12 votes on a motion tabled by Sir Oliver Letwin, the former Tory cabinet minister, ensuring that, when the Commons votes on the Brexit deal tomorrow, it will be possible for MPs to debate and vote on multiple amendments. For obvious reasons, the government wanted to restrict the chances for its motion to be amended.

Taking advantage of his own rule change, Letwin has tabled an amendment to the government motion tomorrow. It has heavyweight, cross-party support, with those backing it including Hilary Benn, the Labour chair of the Brexit committee, Jo Swinson, the Lib Dem leader, and Philip Hammond, the former chancellor.

You can read the text of the Letwin amendment on the order paper here (pdf). The amendment would remove almost all the government motion (which says the Commons has approved the Brexit deal) and says the Commons is withholding approval of the deal until the legislation implementing it has been passed.

As Letwin explained in the debate yesterday, his aim is to close a loophole in the Benn act. The legislation forces the PM to request a Brexit extension if a deal has not been passed by the end of tomorrow. A vote in favour of the deal tomorrow would have meant there was no need for the PM to request an extension. But if the withdrawal agreement bill (WAB) failed to get through parliament by 31 October, the UK could end up leaving with no deal by accident. Letwin’s amendment would lead to the PM having to request an extension tomorrow, on the proviso that if the WAB gets through by the end of October, at that point the extension would be withdrawn. You could call it a backstop.

The Benn act passed by 29 votes at second reading and it is likely that the Letwin amendment, which is just intended to copper bottom the Benn act, will also pass tomorrow.

If it does, the make-or-break vote on Johnson’s deal will never actually take place. Instead MPs will vote on a bland motion (see below), which could go through on the nod.

At that point, if Johnson complies with the assurances that he gave to the court of session in Scotland, he will have to write a letter to the EU requesting an extension.

And at that point Johnson would have to decide whether to try to pass his withdrawal agreement bill by 31 October, to release him from the obligation to take up the extension - or whether to accept the extension, and then hold the election that Labour has promised to back in the event of an extension happening. He would campaign promising to implement his Brexit deal - against Labour promising a further negotiation.

This is starting to get speculative, but what is clear is that there is now a real chance that “Super Saturday” could turn out not to be the make-or-break Brexit moment people have been expecting.

Assuming that Letwin’s amendment passes, this is the motion, as amended, that MPs would be voting on. (The Letwin text, replacing 12 lines in the original, is in bold.)

That, in light of the new deal agreed with the European Union, which enables the United Kingdom to respect the result of the referendum on its membership of the European Union and to leave the European Union on 31 October with a deal, this house has considered the matter but withholds approval unless and until implementing legislation is passed.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:23 (six years ago)

cometh the hour, cometh the homonculus

cps

be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:24 (six years ago)

xps*

be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:24 (six years ago)

That's from The Guardian on the amendment

xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:25 (six years ago)

meanwhile it's all going off in Barcelona

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:28 (six years ago)

He's just having sedation for a pad he ripped on barbed wire to be stitched up. Not a good day forhim :(


Poor angel, hope he heals up soon!

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:40 (six years ago)

if letwin passes tomorrow... no meaningful vote -> extension -> ???

??? is that right ?


Yes

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:41 (six years ago)

Extension till when, though?

pomenitul, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:41 (six years ago)

mid Jan iirc?

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:43 (six years ago)

31st January

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:45 (six years ago)

Thx.

pomenitul, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:45 (six years ago)

Rudd is backing Letwin.

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:57 (six years ago)

edging towards a Christmas election, what a treat

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:58 (six years ago)

It would be preferable to have an election after a harsh winter has killed off loadsa old bastards

calzino, Friday, 18 October 2019 17:01 (six years ago)

Entirely different subject...but fucking funny

Chick-fil-A managed to last 8 days in the UK 🏳️‍🌈 https://t.co/gGw2lbN1Aq

— Jonathon (@coffeemadman) October 18, 2019

gyac, Friday, 18 October 2019 17:16 (six years ago)

Thank fuck there’s a film festival on in my city this week (and I’m not a psychopath who checks my phone in the cinema), I can spend all tomorrow watching films and not compulsive checking this bullshit every five minutes

YouGov to see it (wins), Friday, 18 October 2019 18:16 (six years ago)

I'll be watching a Blackburn v Town stream early KO, drinking early, constantly shaking my head at wtf is going on and watching it all horribly unfold. Will be checking on the WA vote in parliament as well.

calzino, Friday, 18 October 2019 18:35 (six years ago)

im 8 hours behind the uk and a late riser on weekends so i will wake up to the results. a bit like fucking christmas morning, but much shittier

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Friday, 18 October 2019 18:36 (six years ago)

lmao

https://i.redd.it/sr00c9o5ibt31.jpg

posting an image rather than a link because virgin deleted their tweet after this epic dunk

expedited frictionless convergences (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 18 October 2019 18:46 (six years ago)

Booming Tweet

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Friday, 18 October 2019 18:47 (six years ago)


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