Damon Lindelof's Watchmen

I wonder if an element of shame about adapting Watchmen led them to then avoid it as much as possible.

Not sure "shame" ever enters Hollywood decision-making

Lindelof has boasted of his attitude toward shame already

I am ready for the thread pivot from "this will be garbage" to "oh this is kind of interesting actually but I wish it weren't Watchmen"

gonna be a long wait

as for "why is this based on a pre-existing property at all," that's because virtually everything/anything with a big budget that gets greenlit is (in recent HBO terms: GOT plus forthcoming spinoffs, His Dark Materials, Westworld...)

and to speak to this one last time, I understand (sic)'s bone-deep objection but I can't bring myself to care when Moore is far wealthier than I'll ever be and puts out 1000+ page opuses without so much as an editorial peep from his publisher

cool I will just start stealing as much intellectual property from those richer than myself then - starting with HBO, I'm sure they won't mind, should work out real well. Have you heard about my new TV show Game of MurderBoobs?

(also lol if you think Moore is richer than Lindelof and HBO and all the other jackals involved in this stupid fucking bullshit)

a quick google puts his net worth at $10mil, he's gonna be OK

for a deeply avowed leftist your ethics are p weird

I think the situation sucks but the show will be good and I plan to enjoy it but not spend money on it, and I am comforted by the fact that the wronged party will enjoy comfort levels I never will in perpetuity. Not that weird imo

didn't you also work for a cryptocurrency firm or am I misremembering something

No, you remember correctly. I also worked for a company that made accounting software that turned out to have a contract with the US DoD. Incidentally, if you have a Netflix or Prime )account you're underwriting labor abuses of one flavor or another. (Personally I'm signed up for one but not the other.)

that's cool, I have neither

I dunno if consumer habits rise to the level of livelihood in terms of commitment but... you do you buddy

What abuses are you referring to re: Netflix?

https://www.fastcompany.com/90250828/the-death-of-hollywoods-middle-class

(btw, since we're on the subject I guess, that shitty company I worked for never got a damn thing off the ground)

https://www.sagaftra.org/sag-aftra-and-netflix-announce-historic-contract

I'm sure that's the end of them finding ways to screw casts and crews.

idk if that's apples:apples with Netflix and Amazon there tbh

also dunno why this was even brought up except as a deflection, it has no bearing on what we were talking about afaict

xp Noted that you're hanging your "labor abuses" hat on a vague, hand-waving prediction

You were the one who brought up my fucking job. xp

Incidentally there's also the small matter of Netflix generally capping series at three seasons to keep rising compensation at bay. You can argue these are pettier abuses than Amazon, that's fair and fine, but these companies are all rotten and screw artists.

the general thrust of your argument seems to be "the world is corrupt and evil to the core, therefore whatever minor abuses I encourage or engage in are ok"

that is what I meant by weird ethics

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-16/netflix-s-reputation-for-canceling-shows-too-soon-is-overblown

to bring it back to the central issue (which I can tell you love arguing about since you keep bringing it up), every time someone points out to you how messed up it is what has happened to Watchmen as an IP, your reaction is to go "But... LOOK! Over there!"

Instead of engaging with the hard facts which are a) it was wrong what DC did to Moore over this and b) everything related to Watchmen that has been produced since has not only been ill-gotten gains, but they've also all been horribly shitty purely on an aesthetic level. These are bad things, on two separate fronts, that should not be encouraged by further patronage.

the comic book watchmen is also dumb tho

tales of the black freighter my ass

the general thrust of your argument seems to be "the world is corrupt and evil to the core, therefore whatever minor abuses I encourage or engage in are ok"

nothing is OK. I support artists I respect whenever possible and circumvent paying corrupt middlemen often, and also quite often enjoy art that is problematic on one level or another. I suspect you do, too.

re the: "all this stuff has been bad" argument, well, like it or not the emerging consensus isn't panning out that way this time it seems

Tales of the Black Freighter is great both as an EC pastiche and as an echo/foreshadowing of the main narrative imo

xp

tbh I feel bad about stinking up this thread with all this interpersonal shit cause ultimately your assumption that this will be worthless and mine that it won't be is the only real distinction of note

They’re certainly promoting it (both pics taken on a walk today)

https://i.imgur.com/0VSxl1B_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

https://i.imgur.com/QSAfO3V_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

a quick google puts his net worth at $10mil, he's gonna be OK

how the fuck do you calculate this? Watchmen is his best-selling book and he's on about a 15c royalty rate for each copy. In a great year, that's been $30,000 before tax; the year the Snyder movie came out it was about $150,000 before tax; last year (as Didio continues to trash the perennials market) it was $4,000 before tx.

his overhead is presumably low because he owns his own home and allegedly gets his weed for free, but he had to pull the plug on Dodgem Logic due to losing money, and iirc has self-funded the Jenkins films since that. also, he may have bought food once or twice (as well as his home) since 1985.

Did he have any financial participation in the V for Vendetta movie?

https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/authors/alan-moore-net-worth/

All 'celebrity net worth' sites should be scourged from the earth

That was an xp but...

Yeah, those calculations are notoriously bollocks

Not unrelatedly, Eddie Campbell wrote entertainingly about what can happen to allegedly "vast" Hollywood money here:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91cRrz-NNpL.jpg

sorry, huge image argh

Just using google for you guys.

DJI, feel free to explain the methodology that got you to agree with that citation

Did he have any financial participation in the V for Vendetta movie?

He very famously rejects all financial participation on adaptations that have been made against his will, and specifically requested that his name also be taken off the book after Joel Silver lied about him at a press conference.

hardcore

Pretty sure if a website sells advertising, everything they post has to be true, right?

I wonder if an element of shame about adapting Watchmen led them to then avoid it as much as possible.

So much shame expressed.

Shame is an unconscious drive, generally!

So my therapist tells me

LOL at that bullshit estimation of Moore's net worth, and even more bitter LOLs as using it as justification for supporting DC/Warner's continuing desecration of the work of a creative person who over the years made WAY more money for these corporate entities than the creative person themselves ever earned from their work.

I thought he very famously rejects financial participation(?)

How exactly did DC screw him & Gibbons over? I’ve read ppl alluding to it but it’s unclear to me. Their contract promised that the rights would revert when the book when out of print, and then... they kept it in print? Did it say anything about derivative works etc.?

(Lindelof comes off... not well in that Vulturr interview, btw; for a host of reasons)

I think you just answered your own question re: Moore & Gibbons.