2020 Democratic presidential primary

if sanders is nominee all those Dems will get behind him

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Re: "do these people exist", unfortunately, yes.

I like AOC and the squad, but prefer Warren over Sanders. I'm totally fine with the endorsements.

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Party iD just keeps on becoming a stronger and more stable vote predictor and Democrats are by and large gonna Democrat. I know a lot of Democrats and I can think of a grand total of one who I think truly might not pull the lever for Sanders if he were the nominee. Democrats who are leftists like what Sanders says he'll do. Democrats who aren't leftists like some, but not all of it, but think the most leftist parts won't get enacted and that the espousal of the most leftist parts from the Oval Office pulls the whole conversation to the left and makes liberal policy read as centrist -- which, as far as I'm concerned, it actually is. It seems like a win for everybody -- well, everybody who's a Democrat.

when democrats win, america wins

Yes, Bernie and Warren are only offering moderate centrist policies.

I like AOC and the squad, but prefer Warren over Sanders.

Democrats who are leftists like what Sanders says he'll do...but think the most leftist parts won't get enacted

This combination is me. Plus I find Sanders' personality grating. If he's the nominee, I'll vote for him. But I'm pretty confident he won't be.

these are ppl without consistent ideology

"vote for women"

lmao oh god

She’s having a “Dinner and Conversation” Wednesday night at 50K a head, the day after the debate, and 3 weeks before the deadline to file for the ballot in Michigan and Alabama.

She’s running. pic.twitter.com/wbhvdDZZnm

— Ghost of Joe Hill 🌺 (@GhostofJoeHill) October 15, 2019

gonna pretend I didn't just read that

Tom Steyer seemed like a decent guy last night. Besides his humble origins bullshit story.

I very skeptical that Clinton is going to make a last minute entrance into the race. If she does, it would be an extremely stupid move, and I say that as someone who actually likes her.

i mean i hope you're right but given that her recent media pronouncements have included 'look touching women against their will is fine if you're a former vice-president' and 'actually hold up terfs might have a point' i'm not sure extremely syupid moves are entirely outside her wheelhouse

well, whenever this thread flags, we can rely on someone riling up y'all with Hilary photos.

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hilary is president

I don't believe this shit, but if she runs she should announce on Halloween in a hockey mask.

(but she'd clear the nom for Bernie)

surely she's just churning up huge $$$ for some superPAC that will buy ads for joe biden?

Tulsi repeating “regime change war” fifty times felt like an attempt to trigger some sleeper agent on tv

In an already too crowded field, the inclusion of Gabbard and Steyer last night was extra dumb.

Steyer has already spent something like $46mil of his own money, I saw somewhere?

really are people who love Ocasio-Cortez but despise Sanders.

I know two people like this (i.e. who despise Sanders, not just people who "prefer Warren", whom I might lean towards slightly at this point).

love to hate one but not the other when their stated politics are literally identical

I liked the inclusion of Steyer. He knows he won't win but it didn't hurt that a billionaire was reinforcing that wealth needs to be taxed much more.

last night my dad said, "i think Gabbard is a Republican agent, tbh."

love to hate one but not the other when their stated politics are literally identical

― Simon H., 16. oktober 2019 15:47 (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Well, yeah, but they are two very different people. I mean, you could look at 'stated politics' and there really isn't that much of a difference between Warren and Sanders either, yet there really are a lot of writers at Jacobin who think they are VERY different.

love to hate one but not the other when their stated politics are literally identical

I mean, you could look at 'stated politics' and there really isn't that much of a difference between Warren and Sanders either, yet there really are a lot of writers at Jacobin who think they are VERY different.

last night my dad said, "i think Gabbard is a Republican agent, tbh."

Bernie is not about “class identity,” he is about fighting economic inequality.

People are deciding things on a whole web of intangible and often inscrutable things, not just "stated policies" - which is why I think AOC's endorsement IS important. Policy similarity might make it seem obvious, but what about people who aren't looking primarily through that lens? (and people who *think* they are looking through that lens?)

Just like politicians who fight for racial justice are fighting oppression, not talking about racial identity.

Can we not discuss AOC in two threads, please?

I feel like real positions get filtered through this marketing language, who appeals to whom and whatever

I feel like there is like a filter on here, where a lot of posters refuse to countenance the thought that there might be voters who have an accurate idea about who Sanders is and what he stands for, and just don't like it. And not all of them are right-wing.

last night my dad said, "i think Gabbard is a Republican agent, tbh."

I feel like there is like a filter on here, where a lot of posters refuse to countenance the thought that there might be voters who have an accurate idea about who Sanders is and what he stands for, and just don't like it. And not all of them are right-wing.

We should name those people, otherwise there may be misunderstandings and talk at cross purposes

Bernie is not about “class identity,” he is about fighting economic inequality.

Up until this specific election cycle, he was all about fighting economic inequality though an astonishingly myopic lens that didn't seem to think that non-white (and particularly black) middle-class people existed and had legitimate concerns about whether his economic panacea was yet another round of taking money away non-white people who were getting ahead of the curve to help white people who were behind the curve, all at the exclusion of non-white people who were behind the curve. This is commonly interpreted as an identity issue.

He has been much, much better on this front in this election cycle but it isn't particularly shocking or surprising that some would have misgivings about the implementation of his platform given not only his own statements and actions, but also the way these programs have been implemented throughout the entirety of this country's history.

Well, anvil, you seem like one of them, sorry. And it was motivated by treeship thinking we misunderstood Bernie's thoughts on 'class identity'.

i love politics board pls

I would prefer "I Hate Politics But Really Love Picking At Scabs"

i mean that should definitely be the name

I'm reading Black Boy and it's astonishing how little has changed from the 1930s when American communists hand waved the economic worries of black Americans.

I certainly don't think that everyone would love Bernie if only they knew what he stood for. My boss, for one, half-jokingly threatened to fire anyone who votes for him because his taxes will go up.

I'm reading Black Boy and it's astonishing how little has changed from the 1930s when American communists hand waved the economic worries of black Americans.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:27 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

this also happens in native son and yeah not much has changed

By "astonishing" I think you mean "unsurprising"

Can we not discuss AOC in two threads, please?

She's less special than the Coen brothers?

there might be voters who have an accurate idea about who Sanders is and what he stands for, and just don't like it.

Sure. They're wrong.

One of them said she was a capitalist once!!!

I think she's keeping her bones. Hopefully not her Newthink on historical wage growth.

i mean, Wright was correct about a lot of the racism of the communist party.

he was also a snitch, and that shouldn't be forgotten

I think that's a fair criticism of American communists/leftists to a point (I take some exception to it being descended from American communists who put race at the forefront of their activism), but in what sense are liberals or centrists any better on that? Doesn't pretty much the entire spectrum of white voters have a tendency to hand wave the economic worries of black americans?

i don't think any of us are saying that liberals (lol i loathe the distortion of this word) or centrists are any better on it