2020 Democratic presidential primary

oh dang who had McCain on the bingo sheet aka Klobuchar CANCELLED

A coup

Klobuchar babbling about McCain dying and anointing her High Queen of Narnia.

AOC endorsement seems more significant to me than whatever these freaks could possibly say in a debate

I expected it tbh

oh daaamn AOC endorses Bernie hell of a scoop that’ll shake things up

the real winner tonight: Chevrolet

audio is out of sync now and it’s freaking me out

wow i can't believe joe biden was friends with john mccain this is very surprising

...aaaaand, it's a wrap. the closing statements all had fine uplifting clichés. I like uplifting clichés. They're touching. Every one of Obama's SOTU addresses had a good assortment of them and I liked them then just as much. But we're good and fucked if the Republicans win a bare Senate majority and McConnell stays in power.

man the Squad is about to catch unmitigated hell from the resistance Dems who’ve claimed them as their sassy mascots

Do those people exist?

is it correct buttigieg win this joint with his raw courages political and personal?

The fiction is that pundits can determine who won or lost tonight and announce this fact immediately. The truth is that it is far too early to understand where any of this is going, other than that the three front runners will still be running after South Carolina, but at most two of the also-rans will still be limping along until Super Tuesday, after which all but two or three of them will be permanently immobilized.

I’m hearing booker moved the needle but it’s a terrible forum

Do those people exist?

I have definitely seen that kind of rhetoric too. There really are people who love Ocasio-Cortez but despise Sanders. I don't get it at all, but they're out there. I bet they'll get pissed off about this.

these are ppl without consistent ideology

Twitter is a cesspit

we're good and fucked if the Republicans win a bare Senate majority and McConnell stays in power.

this will almost certainly happen

man the Squad is about to catch unmitigated hell from the resistance Dems who’ve claimed them as their sassy mascots

doubt this will happen; if sanders is nominee all those Dems will get behind him, if not (which is more likely) AOC and Bernie will both be behind the nominee and this will be forgotten.

these are ppl without consistent ideology

aka most voters, most non-voters, most people you know, most people on this board

if sanders is nominee all those Dems will get behind him

[citation needed]

Re: "do these people exist", unfortunately, yes.

I like AOC and the squad, but prefer Warren over Sanders. I'm totally fine with the endorsements.

[citation needed]

Party iD just keeps on becoming a stronger and more stable vote predictor and Democrats are by and large gonna Democrat. I know a lot of Democrats and I can think of a grand total of one who I think truly might not pull the lever for Sanders if he were the nominee. Democrats who are leftists like what Sanders says he'll do. Democrats who aren't leftists like some, but not all of it, but think the most leftist parts won't get enacted and that the espousal of the most leftist parts from the Oval Office pulls the whole conversation to the left and makes liberal policy read as centrist -- which, as far as I'm concerned, it actually is. It seems like a win for everybody -- well, everybody who's a Democrat.

when democrats win, america wins

Yes, Bernie and Warren are only offering moderate centrist policies.

I like AOC and the squad, but prefer Warren over Sanders.

Democrats who are leftists like what Sanders says he'll do...but think the most leftist parts won't get enacted

This combination is me. Plus I find Sanders' personality grating. If he's the nominee, I'll vote for him. But I'm pretty confident he won't be.

these are ppl without consistent ideology

"vote for women"

lmao oh god

She’s having a “Dinner and Conversation” Wednesday night at 50K a head, the day after the debate, and 3 weeks before the deadline to file for the ballot in Michigan and Alabama.

She’s running. pic.twitter.com/wbhvdDZZnm

— Ghost of Joe Hill 🌺 (@GhostofJoeHill) October 15, 2019

gonna pretend I didn't just read that

Tom Steyer seemed like a decent guy last night. Besides his humble origins bullshit story.

I very skeptical that Clinton is going to make a last minute entrance into the race. If she does, it would be an extremely stupid move, and I say that as someone who actually likes her.

i mean i hope you're right but given that her recent media pronouncements have included 'look touching women against their will is fine if you're a former vice-president' and 'actually hold up terfs might have a point' i'm not sure extremely syupid moves are entirely outside her wheelhouse

well, whenever this thread flags, we can rely on someone riling up y'all with Hilary photos.

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hilary is president

I don't believe this shit, but if she runs she should announce on Halloween in a hockey mask.

(but she'd clear the nom for Bernie)

surely she's just churning up huge $$$ for some superPAC that will buy ads for joe biden?

Tulsi repeating “regime change war” fifty times felt like an attempt to trigger some sleeper agent on tv

In an already too crowded field, the inclusion of Gabbard and Steyer last night was extra dumb.

Steyer has already spent something like $46mil of his own money, I saw somewhere?

really are people who love Ocasio-Cortez but despise Sanders.

I know two people like this (i.e. who despise Sanders, not just people who "prefer Warren", whom I might lean towards slightly at this point).

love to hate one but not the other when their stated politics are literally identical

I liked the inclusion of Steyer. He knows he won't win but it didn't hurt that a billionaire was reinforcing that wealth needs to be taxed much more.

last night my dad said, "i think Gabbard is a Republican agent, tbh."

love to hate one but not the other when their stated politics are literally identical

― Simon H., 16. oktober 2019 15:47 (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Well, yeah, but they are two very different people. I mean, you could look at 'stated politics' and there really isn't that much of a difference between Warren and Sanders either, yet there really are a lot of writers at Jacobin who think they are VERY different.

love to hate one but not the other when their stated politics are literally identical

I mean, you could look at 'stated politics' and there really isn't that much of a difference between Warren and Sanders either, yet there really are a lot of writers at Jacobin who think they are VERY different.

last night my dad said, "i think Gabbard is a Republican agent, tbh."

Bernie is not about “class identity,” he is about fighting economic inequality.

People are deciding things on a whole web of intangible and often inscrutable things, not just "stated policies" - which is why I think AOC's endorsement IS important. Policy similarity might make it seem obvious, but what about people who aren't looking primarily through that lens? (and people who *think* they are looking through that lens?)