2020 Democratic presidential primary

to be clear i'm saying growth economics are immoral

― cheese canopy (map), Tuesday, October 15, 2019 2:20 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah true growing literacy rates and growing health care is immoral.

lol again

come on dude this is not that hard

capitalism is an economic paradigm that needs to be transcended. map otm. endless growth is not sustainable, ecologically or socially. no one really knows what to replace it with -- a gradual move toward more and more worker ownership, stronger public institutions, more goods becoming public that were previously sold, this is the start

also, breaking the mythology that someone can "earn" a billion dollars. they can acquire it, but the labor that produced the value was done by millions of other people

None of those things would alter growth Treeship.

i'm into doing smart capitalism for pragmatic reasons since there's a huge gap between an equitable zero-growth world and what we have now but we're only going to get to something approaching sustained sanity with a model that doesn't look like cancer.

it does, though van horn street. it means taking away the idea that profits are a holy value, and ever-increasing profits are the only path to social sustainability.

Imo It’s okay for billionnaires to exist as long as they are heavily taxed in both income (75% +) and wealth (2%+). If health is publicly provided, education is free, the arts funded, environment regulated etc then I don’t care how much Bezos make.

but that kind of concentration of wealth creates a massive power imbalance, especially in a world where elections aren't publicly funded.

Have fun getting all of those things while billionaires exist xp

it does, though van horn street. it means taking away the idea that profits are a holy value, and ever-increasing profits are the only path to social sustainability.

― treeship., Tuesday, October 15, 2019 2:32 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

Growths and profits are two very very different things. A
Communist nation without the spectre of a corporation making a single cent of profit would still have growth.

As someone who lives in place where a whole bunch billionaires exists, I can assure you I have free health care, near free education (payed my debt within a year), money thanks to funding of arts and all my electricity consumption is sustainable.

If here is Canada, lots of essential health shit ain't free.

Quebec mostly.

How many billionaires do we even have?

i for one am sure there aren't any other, more relevant reasons for your nice life. may i make a suggestion that you enjoy it thoroughly and keep your politics to yourself.

How many billionaires do we even have?

(I checked, it's 39.)

multi-xps - The two factors that drive ever-expanding economic growth are not literacy rates and health care, but population growth and per capita consumption, both of which have profound negative consequences as they progress ever upward. Unless some technological miracle allows humans to capture and transform a much larger percentage of the solar energy that falls on the earth and an economical way to turn plain sea water into fresh water, mineral resources and food, we are well past the point where our economic activity is causing a sixth mass extinction.

sounds dope man but we’re talking about USA

I mean, you can probably calm down; Bernieceats aren’t going to magically get their wishlist if he wins. but we could expand the notion of what’s even in the realm of possibility. maybe stop negotiating against ourselves before we even get to the table?

Aimless my view of growth is that damage to the environment is obviously a negative and that right now, despite cool gdp numbers we are in recession as long as we don’t solve the problem.

Also consumption is broadly defined in growth models and does include education and health care and other stuff of the kind.

(Re “I can assure you I have free health care, near free education (payed my debt within a year), money thanks to funding of arts and all my electricity consumption is sustainable”)

i need a living fucking wage and a health plan that doesnt bankrupt me

asking a lot, i know

we need to get VHS on the case next time someone claims their company has sold enough pancakes to stretch to the moon and back or whatever.... "i see no attempt to even wrestle with the coriolis forces, to say nothing of solar wind and the rapid decomposition of the pancakes beyond earth's protective ionosphere"

We took the @gabriel_zucman chart showing how tax rates would differ under the Warren, Sanders, Trump and Biden tax plans and asked voters which they would prefer. They overwhelmingly preferred the @BernieSanders and @ewarren tax plans. https://t.co/vF7pDOgdPH pic.twitter.com/HBHz3Vonj5

— the supreme court will destroy everything we want (@SeanMcElwee) October 15, 2019

lol nobody likes joe biden's plan

nobody likes joe biden

does include education and health care and other stuff of the kind.

...including prisons, repairing vandalism, and cleaning up oil spills. Consumption can be low impact or high impact, as useless as hundreds of millions spent on pet toys or as vital as education and clean water infrastructure, but no matter how beneficial or benign you think it may be, it all consumes energy and resources and aggregate consumption cannot grow forever.

I’m sure you know him but Nordhaus argues it better than I will that there is a path for sustained economic growth and environmental restoration and stability.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/465930-krystal-ball-warren-is-an-insider-posing-as-an-outsider

So although it's not fair, the task falls to the only three true anti-establishment candidates on the stage. Bernie, Yang, and Tulsi. Now we all know Tulsi for sure has the stomach to do it. I don't know if I have ever met a woman as tough as Tulsi Gabbard. She's also previewed a potential attack on Warren's fitness to be commander in chief with us here at Rising.

did a person who speaks English and has a cerebellum write these sentences lol

nordhaus? groverhaus morelike

haha screw a coherent ideology, I'm voting for whoever 4chan tells me to vote for

krystal ball is a great name

I don't think that piece was "written" at all - it reads like a transcript of a YouTube video.

i can't fucking believe they're putting 12 ppl on that stage tonight

Relax, they're gonna be inside the Reagan version of Air Force One.

at last, a clown car full of democrats

gonna watch a real horror movie instead

Krystal Ball used to host a show with Buck Sexton, which is the porniest thing I've ever heard of that wasn't actual porn.

lolz

fuck off, Mayor Pete

Buttigieg puts money behind digital ad knocking 'Medicare for All' Democrats by name

LOL people applauding at Steyer's stupid introduction when he paused for applause

Bernie is sounding revitalized, a lot less gravelly

Clean pipes

I hate how Warren refuses to answer this question simply

Liz vs. Pete is tickling me

This is the first time she's been challenged at all, and it needs to happen. She's waffling.

They're all piling on now, damn

2015/2016 in debate coverage: multiple Gawker outlets doing debate live blogs featuring most of each staff
2019 in debate coverage: one outlet associated with post-Gawker with one guy live blogging alone

https://www.theroot.com/live-blog-the-democratic-debate-at-otterbein-universit-1839065271