2020 Democratic presidential primary

That chart should also show the average tax rates in 2000, 1980, and 1960.

x-post: But you think six words counts more towards believability than the CFBP and everything else Warren has done?

Fwiw, I wasn't saying the six words should carry more weight than Warren's record or platform, or even that what they say is a bad thing, but that I can see why they could carry more than zero weight when evaluating ideological distinctions between Sanders and Warren.

I've always thought that "capitalist to my bones" was mostly an assurance that she wasn't a right-wing caricature of a Scary Socialist. The caricature isn't fair, but to say she's a capitalist allows her to calm those fears (while still proposing plenty of radical reforms).

I also think she's a capitalist to her bones, though.

As do I. But living in a Social Democratic country, I don't really give that much for 'Democratic Socialism' as an alternative.

Though I have to say, the anti-corporation plan Bernie just published is really, really good, and actually distinctively 'democratic socialist'. So.

x-post: But you think six words counts more towards believability than the CFBP and everything else Warren has done?

― Frederik B,

I don't. But I'm referring to future, not present or past

As in, I think she's really passionate about e.g. breaking down oligopolies so that markets can function more competitively. I think Sanders's motivation has more to do with ideas about class struggle, even when they end up in similar places. xp to self

No, that is probably true. And ironically, this might be where believability comes into it for me, because I just don't think someone polling at 11% in a Dem primary can pretend to lead a popular class struggle... I don't begrudge anyone for wanting to cast a symbolic vote for that though. Not when Warren will win anyway by driving the wonky vote waaaaaayyy to the left.

i think sund4r is right. warren carries with her from her republican days a belief in markets. but she thinks they're "rigged."

bernie believes that society should function according to the principle, "from each according to his ability, for each according to his need." and it's a long road to get there, but in the end, everyone having a warm place to live and access to a doctor is more important than an abstract principle of a "free economy."

cherrypicking "11%" eh

polling THREE MONTHS BEFORE ANYBODY VOTES

xp

also stop calling the primaries "the primary"

wait til you see those numbers jump all over the place after Iowa & NH

At this stage all their figures are too low obviously, as there are too many of them at this stage (plus Biden hasn't dropped out yet and had his numbers redistributed)

at either of these stages, at this stage

enh I used to harbor a dim hope Biden might have to drop out because of his bad brain but that's looking much less likely over time

Obama was nobody in October 2007

i think the voters are going to have to reject Biden; he's holding that DNC-Big Pharma battle flag

Just as Socialism ≠ state control, markets ≠ Capitalism. You could and would still have markets in a worker-controlled economy, and there's probably nothing wrong with that. I feel like the conflation of these ideas plays into the right-wing's strategy of fear-mongering about anticapitalism.

Obama was nobody in October 2007

in October 2007, Obama was polling at 21% and Hillary was polling at 50%

https://news.gallup.com/poll/102277/gallup-election-review-october-2007.aspx

I just don't see a rationale for any frontrunners dropping when you still have the Betos and Yangs and Klobuchars clinging on.

markets should probably exist in any economy, but the integrity of markets is secondary to the well-being of workers. that was my angle there.

also in Oct. 2007 McCain was at 10%

I just don't see a rationale for any frontrunners dropping when you still have the Betos and Yangs and Klobuchars clinging on.

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles),

Well exactly! Still early, and so many with few each but adding up to a significant amount

can't wait to watch a 12-person debate tonight

would honestly rather have two nights (sigh) of 6

It's kind of baffling that they can't come up with qualification requirements that narrow it down even a little bit.

can't wait to watch a 12-person debate tonight

well i don't think the Cardinals mound meetings will be quite that big

they don't want to be accused of being anti-(d)emocratic

WHO WILL BE VOTED OFF THE ISLAND

many xps, I got you Treeship

who will win a kiss from (America)???

julián castro...will you accept this rose?

fuck this, i'm watching pro wrestling (*turns on fox news*)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-vvLRL6kGo

I do think "I am x to my bones" implies a pretty high level of belief, commitment, and identification.

Which was the point of the statement, politically speaking. It was designed to be memorable and unmistakable for the same reason as "read my lips: no new taxes". The GOP mistrusted Bush on taxes, so he was forced to overcommit against them. Warren felt vulnerable to the "socialist" label (for good reason) and used that phrase as a inoculation against it.

The program she's proposing remains the same no matter what label is affixed, but in a mass democracy labels matter during elections, because most voters gather impressions, not facts. She prefers to label them "capitalist" in red block letters and this is becomes a wall against attacks from the right that she'll turn the USA into Venezuela.

good lord is that a real tv show? maybe it’s a good thing ISIS is coming back

it went off the air in 2016; wikipedia provides this tidbit:

In August 2014, Jessie Nizewitz, a contestant on the third episode of Season 1, which aired on July 31, 2014, filed a lawsuit against Viacom, as well as Firelight Entertainment and Lighthearted Entertainment for $10 million, after they broadcast an uncensored shot of her crotch. Two months later, Viacom, Firelight Entertainment and Lighthearted Entertainment sought to have the lawsuit dismissed, claiming that Nizewitz was in violation of her contract in filing a lawsuit. Viacom, in its petition for dismissal held that, "Before filming began, she signed not one but three agreements, in which she expressly and repeatedly agreed that she would participate and be filmed fully nude: that footage could be exhibited and distributed without restriction; that the producers would have sole discretion in how the footage was edited; that she waived any right to sue over her appearance on the show; and that she would be liable for attorneys fees should she sue in violation of her contract." In March 2015, the lawsuit was dismissed by a New York Supreme Court judge.

this is your daily reminder to never ever ever agree to be on a reality show as they will absolutely make you look like a fool at some point.

...now i'm regretting my decision to appear on the upcoming season of "pubes twisted into knots that look like mouths that are talking to each other" without fully reviewing the contract

but i trust NBCUniversal and the Comcast family

lol, whoops how was that video image also nsfw?
never mind.

Economy: We tracked down nearly all the 2020 Democratic candidates earlier this year and asked them the same 18 questions. Question no. 18: “Does anybody deserve to have a billion dollars?” Watch the video and explore more about the candidates.

— The New York Times (@nytimes) October 11, 2019

sigh.

If you worked every single day, making $5000/day, from the time Columbus sailed to America, to the time you are reading this tweet, you would still not be a billionaire, and you would still have less money than Jeff Bezos makes in a week. No one works for a billion dollars.

— Jeremiah Red🌹 (@_Floodlight) October 7, 2019

i think sund4r is right. warren carries with her from her republican days a belief in markets. but she thinks they're "rigged."

bernie believes that society should function according to the principle, "from each according to his ability, for each according to his need." and it's a long road to get there, but in the end, everyone having a warm place to live and access to a doctor is more important than an abstract principle of a "free economy."

― treeship., Tuesday, October 15, 2019 11:12 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

The notion of a ‘free economy’ is more about citizens being able to chose their own economic destiny, make their own economic choices, as consumers, labourers, businesses, etc. At this point in economic history, there is no doubt that public systems like single-payer or what they have in France enhance that very economic freedom. The two notions don’t negate each other at all. Economic freedom doesn’t mean corporations get to do whatever they want, is just that citizens would have more choices, and choices that are closer to their needs. Something private health companies are unable to provide.

I would really like us to retake some pro-capitalists and pro-markets notion from the Hayeks and von Mises and Friedmans which have not only wrecked havoc in our well beings as citizens, but also created this false social dichotomy in which the choice only seems to be between supply side economics as decided only by corporations and supply side economics as decided only by the state. (For all the criticism I give Sanders, I know he doesn’t believe in that dichotomy at all).

If you worked every single day, making $5000/day, from the time Columbus sailed to America, to the time you are reading this tweet, you would still not be a billionaire, and you would still have less money than Jeff Bezos makes in a week. No one works for a billion dollars.

Lol you absolutely would I swear a rose in your twitter means I don’t how money works.

I think of myself, vainly, as someone who ~actually~ beholds the amazing scale of large numbers, but that blows me away. It would add up to a touch over $962 million, including leap years.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/191/035/135.png

Also didn’t realize bezo is making billions/week, shit

Here I am feeling guilty about wanting some new socks

We need a political revolution

2019 - 1492 = 527

527 * 365 = 192,355

192,355 * 5000 = 961,775,000

so not a billion.