2020 Democratic presidential primary

He has to try to justify his fundraising from big donors somehow, even if the best he can do is that bullshit. He might as well say, “We're not going to beat Trump with just a bunch of little people casting their votes.”

Warren is only excluding large donors through primary season. Her campaign has come into some criticism for not excluding PAC money etc in the general.

Mayor Pete is perhaps bitter that he's in a similar trap as Biden, most of his funds have come from donors who've maxed out their $2,800 campaign contribution limit.

I'm sure I'll be able to scrape up another $50 for Warren..

We're not going to beat Trump with pocket change, but we are going to beat Pete

how is he so bad at this

he's getting paid to be bad at this

is Warren being paid to utterly misrepresent the history of US wages under capitalism?

Mayor Pete on Elizabeth Warren’s small donor strategy: “We're not going to beat Trump with pocket change”
he is so bad at this

― Simon H., Monday, October 14, 2019 12:47 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Lol, you could literally squeeze his entire donor base into the Waldorf Astoria ballroom. And he probably has a few times already.

fwiw his small/big donor ratio is 50/50ish, which is basically equal to or better than all candidates except sanders (3rd most small donors), castro and yang (most small donors).

granted there are ways of cooking those numbers (e.g. one big donor can donate $100 27 times).

Looks like Bernie is finally saying it out loud:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-draws-contrast-elizabeth-warren-capitalist-bones/story?id=66217140

“I am capitalist through my bones but not recently metal allow through my cloggy coronary 89 y/o arteries, right bernie?”

Alloy allow, my shitpost spellcorrect is terrible

As if Bernie didn’t believe in free markets.

He has nothing to gain from ppl thinking he and Warren are the same anymore.

Yeah, and it was a fair and good way to make that distinction. Though not as good as this: https://www.vox.com/2019/10/14/20912221/bernie-sanders-corporate-accountability-ftc-merger-tax

the actual interview clip is pretty tame (per usual) but I think this is the first time he’s referenced the “capitalist to my bones” thing unless I’m mistaken

As if Bernie didn’t believe in free markets.

What does this even mean?

Sanders works within the exact same capitalist framework as Warren, only Warren has the sincerity to admit it.

Bernie believes in unregulated laissez-faire capitalism obv

https://pics.me.me/tanned-exquisitely-coiffed-bernie-sanders-tells-supporters-54085923.png

it's true

p sure he doesn't think companies and workers fairly shared profits for "most of our history" either

yeah bernie's definitely the guy with a sincerity problem foh

Sanders works within the exact same capitalist framework as Warren

So, like... he lives and works in the US?

No, it’s that 99% of his policies are just common sense keynesian policies that are very much capitalist in nature and have been adopted by other less dumb capitalist nations decades ago.

man man seriously just "yet bernie participates in society. curious!"

'concussed gabbneb' is a terrible bit

Ilx the only place where FDR is a marxist.

SANDERS '20: A Less Dumb Capitalist Nation

maybe Bernie read Frank Bruni's NYT column where he urged the Dem candidates to "grill" each other tom'w night

...but I hope he's got better things to do

Bernie’s cunning grift of calling himself a socialist for 60 years because he knew he’d need to find a way to differentiate himself from Warren in 2020.

a cunning stunt, nearly

What are the truly socialists thing he campaigned for over the last 60 years?

How about today?

Bernie Sanders released a proposal today that would gradually shift 20 percent of corporate equity into funds owned and controlled by the workers in each company. The plan, which would apply to all publicly-traded companies and large closely-held companies, would move 2 percent of corporate stock into worker funds each year for a decade. Once the shares are transferred into the funds, workers would begin receiving dividends and have the ability to exercise the voting rights of the shares, including the right to vote on corporate board elections and on shareholder resolutions.

Sanders’s plan is by far the most radical worker ownership proposal put forward by a presidential candidate in recent memory. By last count, the market value of publicly-traded domestic companies stood at $35.6 trillion. This means that the Sanders plan would shift at least $7.1 trillion of corporate equity into worker funds by gradually diluting the value of previously-issued corporate stock....

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/10/bernie-wants-you-to-own-more-of-the-means-of-production

VHS I get your point but there is an appreciable difference in ideology between sanders and warren, not so much so that one ought to sabotage the other, but enough of one to merit pointing out the contrast

There is nothing about ESOPs that contradict capitalism.

between M4A and his green new deal, that is a LOT of public ownership of the economy

There are substantial differences between Sanders and Warren and it is very healthy that to differences get to be played out and argued in public, but it has nothing to do with ‘capitalism vs socialism’.

no, but it is reflective of where their sympathies lie and whose interests will be prioritized in a compromise

the 2% plan above is kinda like what i'm currently reading about Hoffa and the Teamsters pension plan, except presumably the Mob will not get involved.

Single payer does not include ownership of hospitals, at least in Quebec (our bills are still fully covered by the states).

Ownership of the health care insurance industry is still public ownership, though. And I do think that the government mandating 20% worker ownership and 45% board of directors representation on the part of the workers is a genuinely democratic socialist proposal that goes beyond ESOPs. It's certainly not a free market idea.

I mean, it's a kind of ESOP but requiring it for large corporations on a national scale isn't the same thing as Wal-Mart giving employees the option to buy stocks.

That said, I thought Warren also had a plan to require worker representation on corporate boards?

The booty judge also called gun buybacks "confiscation" in the same interview quoted upthread. He can't fuck off back to Indiana fast enough.

If i’m not an employee of Wal-Mart and want to buy Walt-Matt stock would I be allowed to? Yes, absolutely. Would banks be allowed to invest in Walt Mart? Yes.

I feel like Friedman and Reagan gaslighted everyone into thinking ‘freedom for the c-suites and wealthy shareholders’ = free market.

yeah i really hope Warren isn't considering him for a vp

Free market, an unregulated system of economic exchange, in which taxes, quality controls, quotas, tariffs, and other forms of centralized economic interventions by government either do not exist or are minimal.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/free-market

Imo the socialism vs capitalism distinction is as much about their differing rpersonal histories and worldviews as it is about his policies taking things a half step further. These things do matter, at least to me. (Not that my opinion is especially relevant.)

What I'd like to hear about more from Sanders for clarity's sake is whether these policies are end goals or stepping stones.

Per the same article

As the free market represents a benchmark that does not actually exist, modern societies can only approach or approximate this ideal of efficient resource allocation and can be described along a spectrum ranging from low to high amounts of regulation.

Bernie is on the high end of the spectrum, so is Warren. Just not as much.