US Politics, October 2019 — I guess statement you could say with thread. I made a thread. The thread was PERFECT.

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she's already fired, no? can you assert presidential privilege over private citizens?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:42 (six years ago)

Yea she's already out

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:43 (six years ago)

she's already fired, no? can you assert presidential privilege over private citizens?

he's already done this!

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:47 (six years ago)

iirc you can just send a fixer to threaten to sue them

It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:49 (six years ago)

What can he (legally) do to her if she defies his assertion of privilege?

WmC, Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:50 (six years ago)

nothing

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:51 (six years ago)

he has no authority over her

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:51 (six years ago)

maybe he'll pull up some bullshit NDA lol

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:51 (six years ago)

At least four national security officials were so alarmed by the Trump administration’s attempts to pressure Ukraine for political purposes that they raised concerns with a White House lawyer both before and immediately after President Trump’s July 25 call with that country’s president, according to U.S. officials and other people familiar with the matter.

The nature and timing of the previously undisclosed discussions with National Security Council legal adviser John Eisenberg indicate that officials were delivering warnings through official White House channels earlier than previously understood — including before the call that precipitated a whistleblower complaint and the impeachment inquiry of the president.

At the time, the officials were unnerved by the removal in May of the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine; subsequent efforts by Trump’s lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani to promote Ukraine-related conspiracies; as well as signals in meetings at the White House that Trump wanted the new government in Kiev to deliver material that might be politically damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden.

Those concerns soared in the call’s aftermath, officials said. Within minutes, senior officials including national security adviser John Bolton were being pinged by subordinates about problems with what the president had said to his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky. Bolton and others scrambled to obtain a rough transcript that was already being “locked down” on a highly classified computer network.

“When people were listening to this in real time there were significant concerns about what was going on — alarm bells were kind of ringing,” said one person familiar with the sequence of events inside the White House, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter. “People were trying to figure out what to do, how to get a grasp on the situation.”

It is unclear whether some or all of the officials who complained to Eisenberg are also the ones who later spoke to the whistleblower.

The accounts are sharply at odds with Trump’s depiction of the call as a “perfect” exchange in which he “did nothing wrong,” despite appearing to link U.S. support for Ukraine to that country’s willingness to investigate the family of the former vice president. On Thursday, Trump renewed his attacks on Twitter, describing the impeachment inquiry as a “Democrat Scam.”

But new details about the sequence inside the White House suggest that concerns about the call and events leading up to it were profound even among Trump’s top advisers, including Bolton and then-acting deputy national security adviser Charles Kupperman. Bolton and Kupperman did not respond to requests for comment.

Officials said that within hours of the 9 a.m. conversation, a rough transcript compiled by aides had been moved from a widely shared White House computer network to one normally reserved for highly classified intelligence operations. According to the whistleblower’s complaint, White House lawyers “directed” officials to move the transcript to the classified system. At the same time, officials were seeking ways to report what they had witnessed, an undertaking complicated by the lack of a White House equivalent to the inspector general positions found at other agencies.

As a result, one official who had listened on the call went “immediately” to Eisenberg. By the end of the next day, at least two others who had either heard the call or seen the rough transcript had also done so, said a person familiar with the matter.

It is not clear whether Eisenberg took any action either after the warnings he received earlier in July or after the Trump-Zelensky conversation. One official said Eisenberg vowed he would “follow-up,” a message interpreted to mean that he intended to investigate the matter and perhaps relay the dismay up the ranks to White House counsel Pat Cipollone.

If that occurred, it would help to explain how the White House was already aware of concerns about the July 25 call when contacted by the CIA general counsel weeks before a whistleblower complaint submitted by an agency employee had become public.

White House officials did not respond to questions about Eisenberg or a request for comment.

A former Justice Department official, Eisenberg has served as the top legal adviser to the National Security Council since the start of the administration, a tenure that encompasses numerous legal crises, including the FBI investigation of former national security adviser Michael Flynn and the special counsel probe of Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Eisenberg likely would also have played a leading role in the White House efforts to prevent the nation’s intelligence director from turning over a whistleblower complaint about Trump’s Ukraine call to lawmakers.

Officials who have worked with Eisenberg described him as conscientious and cautious, but said he has an expansive view of executive-branch authorities. One former Justice Department colleague said he is an “honest broker” but has a “disdain” for Congress.

Cipollone delivered a blistering letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) this week, describing the impeachment probe as “unconstitutional” and vowing that the administration would not cooperate.

The absence of any clear action by Eisenberg or others may have contributed to decisions by White House insiders to relay their concerns to a CIA employee who assembled the information they supplied into a whistleblower complaint that he submitted Aug. 12 to the U.S. intelligence community’s inspector general.

A memo turned over to congressional investigators suggests that the whistleblower, who has not been publicly identified, was contacted by a White House official on the afternoon of the July 25 Trump-Zelensky conversation. The complaint lays out many of the concerns that White House officials had shared with Eisenberg and others in the weeks leading up to that phone call.

Those involved in sounding alarms “were not a swamp, not a deep state,” said a former senior official. Rather, they were White House officials “who got concerned about this because this is not the way they want to see the government run.”

Officials traced the origins of their initial concerns about Trump and Ukraine to the abrupt and unexplained removal of the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch, after she became the target of a right-wing smear campaign that accused her — with no apparent evidence — of undermining Trump and his policies.

NSC officials were alternately baffled and alarmed by the behavior of Giuliani, who had agitated for Yovanovitch’s removal and proceeded to declare on cable television interviews that he was pressing Ukraine to reopen a corruption probe of an energy company that had paid Hunter Biden, the former vice president’s son, as much as $100,000 a month to serve as a board member.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:55 (six years ago)

Literally just read that.

Man the walls keep closing in

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:56 (six years ago)

If Blobfish and co. think they are gonna be able to wait this out and then brush it off, I think they're making a very poor bet, this is just gonna get worse and worse from here on out for them.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:56 (six years ago)

Cipollone delivered a blistering letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) this week, describing the impeachment probe as “unconstitutional” and vowing that the administration would not cooperate.

They're just making things up, aren't they?

HELLA FITZGERALD (Leee), Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:09 (six years ago)

I mean considering that not only is it Constitutional, but what Trump is demanding is very much not... yes

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:10 (six years ago)

i don't care what anyone says, something about this president just isn't on the up and up.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:11 (six years ago)

Removal of Trump from office by the senate seems like a real possibility today. A low one, but a possibility. Say 10%.

wasdnuos (abanana), Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:12 (six years ago)

On Wednesday morning, the day after news leaked that Gowdy was set to serve as outside counsel to the president, Victoria Toensing, a veteran Washington lawyer who has been working with Trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, expressed concern and disbelief that the onetime advocate for congressional oversight would be coming onboard.

“Trey Gowdy doesn’t know s***,” she said.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:12 (six years ago)

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy said on Thursday that he’d return campaign donations from a pair of Ukrainian-Americans working with Rudy Giuliani to boost President Trump after the two men were arrested for allegedly violating campaign finance laws.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:13 (six years ago)

bolton seems like a guy who might be willing to bury trump

mookieproof, Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:14 (six years ago)

Another photo of Trump with one of the men he claims not to know. Wonder what else is on his locked instagram page. pic.twitter.com/pBEBwl2T3h

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) October 10, 2019

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:15 (six years ago)

Click on the post for a very personal thank to to Trump "my friend."

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:16 (six years ago)

yeah, Bolton twisting the knife would be funny

Trump would of course label him a Bush crony, a failure, secretly a Democrat etc.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:16 (six years ago)

weak, mustache is fake, very sad

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:16 (six years ago)

Far be it from me to offer helpful advice to republicans, but any among their number who aren't directly caught up in this shit really ought to consider cutting bait at this point. We seem to be moving into a phase where it's going to be increasingly difficult to pooh-pooh and handwave away what appears to be a wholly non-theoretical conspiracy.

Furter-Bursting Tater Squirter (Old Lunch), Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:17 (six years ago)

xxps saw something on twitter today about Gowdy not being able to come on board until January because of a lobbying restrictions, with speculation that he might not ever be a significant part of the impeachment defense

Dan S, Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:18 (six years ago)

He's just serving as a horcrux

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:20 (six years ago)

Gov. Ron DeSantis said Thursday that his political committee will return a $50,000 donation received last year from two South Florida businessmen who were arrested Wednesday and accused of funneling illicit contributions into state and federal campaigns.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:22 (six years ago)

Also returned his botox cream

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:24 (six years ago)

Issues, issues.

EXCLUSIVE: Fiona Hill to testify to Congress that Giuliani, Sondland circumvented the NSC and normal White House process to run a shadow #Ukraine policy, a person familiar with her testimony tells @NBCNews

— Josh Lederman (@JoshNBCNews) October 10, 2019

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:29 (six years ago)

"two South Florida businessmen" has a certain ring to it, doesn't it

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:29 (six years ago)

Xpost

So the White House is a....deep state?

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:31 (six years ago)

"South Florida" and "businessmen" is a pleonasm.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:31 (six years ago)

CW: Nickelback.

LOOK AT THIS PHOTOGRAPH pic.twitter.com/vy92z1MyXb

— The Bulwark (@BulwarkOnline) October 10, 2019

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:38 (six years ago)

Three bros, having fun.

at least there’s no video pic.twitter.com/JVaUyJpm4V

— Adam Parkhomenko (@AdamParkhomenko) October 10, 2019

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:49 (six years ago)

the three stooges

Dan S, Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:52 (six years ago)

🐦[Another photo of Trump with one of the men he claims not to know. Wonder what else is on his locked instagram page. pic.twitter.com/pBEBwl2T3h🕸
— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) October 10, 2019🕸]🐦


just did an actual spit take at this caption

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:55 (six years ago)

Looking forward to the 35 volume equivalent of All the President’s Men for the Trump era

the film would be a 14-hour It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 October 2019 00:08 (six years ago)

House Democrats subpoena Rick Perry and Giuliani associates for impeachment inquiry

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 October 2019 00:32 (six years ago)

"the film would be a 14-hour It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World"

There would be a lot of paunchy, pasty white guys with weird hair getting work all over the place in that production.

Also, that chain the guy in red is flying is awesome.

earlnash, Friday, 11 October 2019 01:03 (six years ago)

TS: "Shoeless" Joe Jackson vs. "Clueless" Joe Biden

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 11 October 2019 01:33 (six years ago)

These people are such idiots. All of them.

Lactose Shaolin Wanker (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 11 October 2019 01:34 (six years ago)

This would be hilarious if they weren't in power, like if this were a Burn After Reading sequel or something

Lactose Shaolin Wanker (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 11 October 2019 01:35 (six years ago)

Anatevka?!?!?!

tokyo rosemary, Friday, 11 October 2019 01:45 (six years ago)

named after the Fiddler village

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-real-life-anatevka-ukraines-jewish-refugees-cling-to-tradition/

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 October 2019 01:55 (six years ago)

Sounds like Sondland testimony is back on for next week.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 11 October 2019 02:17 (six years ago)

top Pompeo advisor resigns

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 October 2019 03:08 (six years ago)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/10/politics/john-shimkus-pulls-trump-support-kurds/index.html

A quadrillion things before this should have brought these lawmakers to the same decision and I'm surprised that this, of all things, is what's putting some of them over the edge. But whatever it takes.

akm, Friday, 11 October 2019 03:13 (six years ago)

Shimkus also made it clear he does not support the impeachment inquiry fwiw

Οὖτις, Friday, 11 October 2019 03:59 (six years ago)

Last night's rally was apparently even rantier than usual.

In one of his most vitriolic appearances to date, President Donald Trump on Thursday night railed against the Washington establishment and his other perceived foes as an existential threat to the nation’s democracy.

From House Democrats to the Biden family, a wide spectrum of “the swamp” came under fire during the president’s political rally in Minneapolis — his first since House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced an impeachment investigation against him more than two weeks ago. Rather than focusing on usual “Make America Great Again” topics like the economy or border security, Trump used over 40 minutes of his stage time to go hard after his adversaries in Congress and the media.

...

“The do-nothing Democrat extremists have gone so far to the left that they believe it should not be a crime to cross our border illegally and that it should be a crime to have a totally appropriate, casual, beautiful, accurate phone call with a foreign leader,” Trump said during the Thursday rally. “I don’t think so.”

He also repeated unfounded claims that the former vice president worked to nix a Ukrainian investigation into his son when Hunter Biden sat on the board of an energy corporation in the country. (Trump expressed frustration over the media’s reports that the claims have been debunked, saying during the rally: “It’s not unsubstantiated, you crooked son of a gun. It’s 100 percent true.”) The president’s team has often recited the claims to counter the accusations of fishing for foreign election assistance. Shortly before his father took the stage, Eric Trump led the audience in a chant of “Lock him up,” referring to Hunter Biden.

...

Polls have recently shown increased public approval for the impeachment inquiry, including a Fox News national poll that showed 51 percent of voters supporting Trump’s impeachment and removal from office. During the rally, he denounced the surveys as “crooked” and the media as “so bad for our country.”

At times, Trump seemed more fed up than riled up in his rhetoric. He railed against the constant scrutiny his administration has been under since taking office. He went after former special counsel Robert Mueller for disrupting his administration by investigating him and his circle over several months. He accused the media of unfairly targeting his people while working in tandem with Democrats.

“They took people that were full of life and energy and vigor — we’d just won the greatest campaign in the history of American politics, it’s true — and they destroyed their lives!” Trump said of the numerous investigations into his administration and campaign.

“They destroyed people, good people, people that ended up paying far more money in legal fees than they made,” he continued. “And the media was behind every single step.”

...

The president also went back deep into the early days of the federal investigations into the 2016 election. He invoked former FBI agents Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, who had a romantic relationship, with a mocking dialogue: “‘Oh, I love you so much. I love you, Peter!’ ‘I love you too, Lisa! Lisa, I love you. Lisa, Lisa! Oh God, I love you, Lisa.’”

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 11 October 2019 11:26 (six years ago)

My timelines last night were full of left-wing Minnesotans laughing at chuds/pics of protest signs etc.

One thing people did was to book tickets to the rally under fake names/emails and then (obviously) not go.

coup de twat (suzy), Friday, 11 October 2019 11:47 (six years ago)


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