US Politics, October 2019 — I guess statement you could say with thread. I made a thread. The thread was PERFECT.

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waiting for trump to disavow even knowing rudy

'we ran into each other a few times in the nineties, that's it'

mookieproof, Thursday, 10 October 2019 21:09 (six years ago)

yeah I know "pardons for all" gets thrown around a lot in these discussions but Trump doesn't work that way, he has no loyalty to anyone and in someone gets busted his reaction is "never liked that guy anyway"

which is gonna be hilarious when Junior gets charged

frogbs, Thursday, 10 October 2019 21:19 (six years ago)

Yes, and that continues to make me very curious about his continued expressions of loyalty to Manafort.

Furter-Bursting Tater Squirter (Old Lunch), Thursday, 10 October 2019 21:25 (six years ago)

I mean, it's Donald Trump, it is almost certainly exactly what you think it is

frogbs, Thursday, 10 October 2019 21:26 (six years ago)

So assured

Asked about two men with ties to Rudy Giuliani arrested earlier today, Pres. Trump says, "I don't know those gentlemen. Now, it's possible I have a picture with them, because I have a picture with everybody."

"Maybe they were clients of Rudy," he adds. "You'd have to ask Rudy." pic.twitter.com/EzCIEA6QMz

— ABC News (@ABC) October 10, 2019

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 October 2019 21:27 (six years ago)

It begins.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 October 2019 21:30 (six years ago)

gettin crowded under that bus

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 October 2019 21:33 (six years ago)

Meanwhile, some Nevada specific fun about all this

Here's our story on the indictments of Rudy's Ukraine-linked pals and the NV connections. Note @RileySnyder found video of the event with Rudy, Tark and Parnas because of course he did. And the date of the fundraiser mentioned in the indictment? Same as huge Trump rally in Elko. https://t.co/X7nrqY7vne

— Jon Ralston (@RalstonReports) October 10, 2019

“Doesn’t know the man” but took a max contribution of $10K. Hilarious. Good answer! And where would they get the idea he would “green-light” their scheme. I wonder. https://t.co/GWQGi7YNJw

— Jon Ralston (@RalstonReports) October 10, 2019

One other thing on Team Laxalt line that he "doesn't know the man." Said man, according to indictment, attended a Laxalt fundraiser. So Laxalt didn't know the guy who maxed out to him and came to his $$ event. I find this to be totally believable, actually.

— Jon Ralston (@RalstonReports) October 10, 2019

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 October 2019 21:34 (six years ago)

this guy gets it. this is essentially an organized crime case.

https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/465104-schiff-should-consider-using-rico-to-organize-the-impeachment

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 October 2019 21:44 (six years ago)

Funny how it works:

Scoop: Rudy Giuliani was also planning to head to Vienna tonight--one day after Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman were trying to do the same with one-way tickets. https://t.co/e4lJr6V3Z5

— Elaina Plott (@elainaplott) October 10, 2019

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 October 2019 21:59 (six years ago)

This morning, Giuliani told me he’d have to reschedule our lunch. I’ve tried to reach him since then, to discuss Parnas’s and Fruman’s arrests, among other things, to no avail. When I called at 3 p.m. ET to ask about his Vienna trip, a woman claiming to be his communications director answered the phone. I have called him more than 100 times over the past year, and this is the first time that has ever happened. She said she’d have to get back to me. As we spoke, I could hear a voice that resembled Giuliani’s shout “asshole” in the background. “Oh, sorry,” the woman told me. “He was talking to the TV.”

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:00 (six years ago)

One guy that is all up in this shit doing who knows what is Bill Barr. That fucker needs to go

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:04 (six years ago)

That Pete Sessions story reads like this guy to me.

HELLA FITZGERALD (Leee), Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:11 (six years ago)

It’s a near certainty that Dmytro Firtash is mixed up in this. He’s in Vienna fighting extradition to the US and has just replaced his legal team with two Giuliani associates (diGenova and Toensing).

ShariVari, Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:11 (six years ago)

on the train headed for the anti Trump rally.... I'll say hi to the chuds

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:15 (six years ago)

Re Rudy's new twist:

he was literally the third man! https://t.co/TX9V1o35KO

— PAPPADEMAS (@PAPPADEMAS) October 10, 2019

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:23 (six years ago)

Stop your messing around
Better think of your future
Time you straighten right out
Creating problems in town

omar little, Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:25 (six years ago)

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/impeachment-inquiry-10-10-2019/index.html

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:25 (six years ago)

President Trump signaled today that he may not let former US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch testify on Capitol Hill tomorrow, continuing the White House’s efforts to force a House vote on impeachment.

“I just don’t think, you’re running a country, I just don’t think that you can have all of these people testifying about every conversation you’ve had,” Trump said when asked if he would let Yovanovitch testify.

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:26 (six years ago)

I just don't think you're running a country either

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:26 (six years ago)

Looking forward to the 35 volume equivalent of All the President’s Men for the Trump era

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:35 (six years ago)

this shit's moving so fast, it's hard to keep up.

also, good luck keeping Yovanovitch from testifying. she has zero motivation to listen to the Trump jokers at all.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:38 (six years ago)

What could he do besides fire her?

WmC, Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:39 (six years ago)

she's already fired, no? can you assert presidential privilege over private citizens?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:42 (six years ago)

Yea she's already out

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:43 (six years ago)

she's already fired, no? can you assert presidential privilege over private citizens?

he's already done this!

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:47 (six years ago)

iirc you can just send a fixer to threaten to sue them

It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:49 (six years ago)

What can he (legally) do to her if she defies his assertion of privilege?

WmC, Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:50 (six years ago)

nothing

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:51 (six years ago)

he has no authority over her

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:51 (six years ago)

maybe he'll pull up some bullshit NDA lol

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:51 (six years ago)

At least four national security officials were so alarmed by the Trump administration’s attempts to pressure Ukraine for political purposes that they raised concerns with a White House lawyer both before and immediately after President Trump’s July 25 call with that country’s president, according to U.S. officials and other people familiar with the matter.

The nature and timing of the previously undisclosed discussions with National Security Council legal adviser John Eisenberg indicate that officials were delivering warnings through official White House channels earlier than previously understood — including before the call that precipitated a whistleblower complaint and the impeachment inquiry of the president.

At the time, the officials were unnerved by the removal in May of the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine; subsequent efforts by Trump’s lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani to promote Ukraine-related conspiracies; as well as signals in meetings at the White House that Trump wanted the new government in Kiev to deliver material that might be politically damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden.

Those concerns soared in the call’s aftermath, officials said. Within minutes, senior officials including national security adviser John Bolton were being pinged by subordinates about problems with what the president had said to his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky. Bolton and others scrambled to obtain a rough transcript that was already being “locked down” on a highly classified computer network.

“When people were listening to this in real time there were significant concerns about what was going on — alarm bells were kind of ringing,” said one person familiar with the sequence of events inside the White House, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter. “People were trying to figure out what to do, how to get a grasp on the situation.”

It is unclear whether some or all of the officials who complained to Eisenberg are also the ones who later spoke to the whistleblower.

The accounts are sharply at odds with Trump’s depiction of the call as a “perfect” exchange in which he “did nothing wrong,” despite appearing to link U.S. support for Ukraine to that country’s willingness to investigate the family of the former vice president. On Thursday, Trump renewed his attacks on Twitter, describing the impeachment inquiry as a “Democrat Scam.”

But new details about the sequence inside the White House suggest that concerns about the call and events leading up to it were profound even among Trump’s top advisers, including Bolton and then-acting deputy national security adviser Charles Kupperman. Bolton and Kupperman did not respond to requests for comment.

Officials said that within hours of the 9 a.m. conversation, a rough transcript compiled by aides had been moved from a widely shared White House computer network to one normally reserved for highly classified intelligence operations. According to the whistleblower’s complaint, White House lawyers “directed” officials to move the transcript to the classified system. At the same time, officials were seeking ways to report what they had witnessed, an undertaking complicated by the lack of a White House equivalent to the inspector general positions found at other agencies.

As a result, one official who had listened on the call went “immediately” to Eisenberg. By the end of the next day, at least two others who had either heard the call or seen the rough transcript had also done so, said a person familiar with the matter.

It is not clear whether Eisenberg took any action either after the warnings he received earlier in July or after the Trump-Zelensky conversation. One official said Eisenberg vowed he would “follow-up,” a message interpreted to mean that he intended to investigate the matter and perhaps relay the dismay up the ranks to White House counsel Pat Cipollone.

If that occurred, it would help to explain how the White House was already aware of concerns about the July 25 call when contacted by the CIA general counsel weeks before a whistleblower complaint submitted by an agency employee had become public.

White House officials did not respond to questions about Eisenberg or a request for comment.

A former Justice Department official, Eisenberg has served as the top legal adviser to the National Security Council since the start of the administration, a tenure that encompasses numerous legal crises, including the FBI investigation of former national security adviser Michael Flynn and the special counsel probe of Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Eisenberg likely would also have played a leading role in the White House efforts to prevent the nation’s intelligence director from turning over a whistleblower complaint about Trump’s Ukraine call to lawmakers.

Officials who have worked with Eisenberg described him as conscientious and cautious, but said he has an expansive view of executive-branch authorities. One former Justice Department colleague said he is an “honest broker” but has a “disdain” for Congress.

Cipollone delivered a blistering letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) this week, describing the impeachment probe as “unconstitutional” and vowing that the administration would not cooperate.

The absence of any clear action by Eisenberg or others may have contributed to decisions by White House insiders to relay their concerns to a CIA employee who assembled the information they supplied into a whistleblower complaint that he submitted Aug. 12 to the U.S. intelligence community’s inspector general.

A memo turned over to congressional investigators suggests that the whistleblower, who has not been publicly identified, was contacted by a White House official on the afternoon of the July 25 Trump-Zelensky conversation. The complaint lays out many of the concerns that White House officials had shared with Eisenberg and others in the weeks leading up to that phone call.

Those involved in sounding alarms “were not a swamp, not a deep state,” said a former senior official. Rather, they were White House officials “who got concerned about this because this is not the way they want to see the government run.”

Officials traced the origins of their initial concerns about Trump and Ukraine to the abrupt and unexplained removal of the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch, after she became the target of a right-wing smear campaign that accused her — with no apparent evidence — of undermining Trump and his policies.

NSC officials were alternately baffled and alarmed by the behavior of Giuliani, who had agitated for Yovanovitch’s removal and proceeded to declare on cable television interviews that he was pressing Ukraine to reopen a corruption probe of an energy company that had paid Hunter Biden, the former vice president’s son, as much as $100,000 a month to serve as a board member.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:55 (six years ago)

Literally just read that.

Man the walls keep closing in

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:56 (six years ago)

If Blobfish and co. think they are gonna be able to wait this out and then brush it off, I think they're making a very poor bet, this is just gonna get worse and worse from here on out for them.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:56 (six years ago)

Cipollone delivered a blistering letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) this week, describing the impeachment probe as “unconstitutional” and vowing that the administration would not cooperate.

They're just making things up, aren't they?

HELLA FITZGERALD (Leee), Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:09 (six years ago)

I mean considering that not only is it Constitutional, but what Trump is demanding is very much not... yes

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:10 (six years ago)

i don't care what anyone says, something about this president just isn't on the up and up.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:11 (six years ago)

Removal of Trump from office by the senate seems like a real possibility today. A low one, but a possibility. Say 10%.

wasdnuos (abanana), Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:12 (six years ago)

On Wednesday morning, the day after news leaked that Gowdy was set to serve as outside counsel to the president, Victoria Toensing, a veteran Washington lawyer who has been working with Trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, expressed concern and disbelief that the onetime advocate for congressional oversight would be coming onboard.

“Trey Gowdy doesn’t know s***,” she said.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:12 (six years ago)

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy said on Thursday that he’d return campaign donations from a pair of Ukrainian-Americans working with Rudy Giuliani to boost President Trump after the two men were arrested for allegedly violating campaign finance laws.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:13 (six years ago)

bolton seems like a guy who might be willing to bury trump

mookieproof, Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:14 (six years ago)

Another photo of Trump with one of the men he claims not to know. Wonder what else is on his locked instagram page. pic.twitter.com/pBEBwl2T3h

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) October 10, 2019

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:15 (six years ago)

Click on the post for a very personal thank to to Trump "my friend."

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:16 (six years ago)

yeah, Bolton twisting the knife would be funny

Trump would of course label him a Bush crony, a failure, secretly a Democrat etc.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:16 (six years ago)

weak, mustache is fake, very sad

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:16 (six years ago)

Far be it from me to offer helpful advice to republicans, but any among their number who aren't directly caught up in this shit really ought to consider cutting bait at this point. We seem to be moving into a phase where it's going to be increasingly difficult to pooh-pooh and handwave away what appears to be a wholly non-theoretical conspiracy.

Furter-Bursting Tater Squirter (Old Lunch), Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:17 (six years ago)

xxps saw something on twitter today about Gowdy not being able to come on board until January because of a lobbying restrictions, with speculation that he might not ever be a significant part of the impeachment defense

Dan S, Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:18 (six years ago)

He's just serving as a horcrux

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:20 (six years ago)

Gov. Ron DeSantis said Thursday that his political committee will return a $50,000 donation received last year from two South Florida businessmen who were arrested Wednesday and accused of funneling illicit contributions into state and federal campaigns.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:22 (six years ago)


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