― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 22 October 2004 09:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― What did you do in the war, Dadaismus? (Dada), Friday, 22 October 2004 09:46 (nineteen years ago) link
Drink when he says:"You couldn't make it up!""Cottaging!""Hell in a handcart!""The PC brigade!"Guardianista!"
Drain your glass when he says:"Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!"
― robster (robster), Friday, 22 October 2004 10:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Johnney B (Johnney B), Friday, 22 October 2004 10:04 (nineteen years ago) link
Why haven't the Left got a lucid, authoritative spokesperson in this country (Tony Benn is too old now)? One is sorely needed.
― Venga, Friday, 22 October 2004 10:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― What did you do in the war, Dadaismus? (Dada), Friday, 22 October 2004 10:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― Cathy (Cathy), Friday, 22 October 2004 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Friday, 22 October 2004 14:40 (nineteen years ago) link
It is funny how old Tories become loveable lefties, viz. Heseltine's slapping down of the odious Phillips. (It is funny also that she was a Guardian columnist for so long!)
I saw Michael Moore on QT once and was so impressed that I rang the Corporation and told them how good it had been.
Hey, maybe that's why they've asked him back!
― the bellefox, Saturday, 23 October 2004 09:23 (nineteen years ago) link
the snag seems to be that any member of the current cabinet, backbench labour types etc are aware that the pm may watching and have 2 constantly tow the line no matter how much the audience groans, dimbleby tears into them, fellow panelists laugh and suchlike. they've become just as toothless as the tories on the show were in the 80's. the current crop of blues couldn't give anything like as much of a toss what happens give or take, so they can kind of say what they like. i've seen the likes of boateng consistently reduced to the most simpering wet ball-less geeks, and felt sympathy even for tebbit at one point in the past few years. watching robin cook desperately unconvincingly trying to defend his position in early 2003 while sitting next to benjamin zephaniah was *agony*. he apparantly turned to bj as the credits rolled to say 'i agree with every word you said, i'm quitting next week' then did just that!
― piscesboy, Saturday, 23 October 2004 09:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Saturday, 23 October 2004 11:56 (nineteen years ago) link
the caption on this is great...
― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Saturday, 23 October 2004 12:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― the bellefox, Thursday, 28 October 2004 12:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 October 2004 12:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 28 October 2004 12:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 28 October 2004 13:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 October 2004 13:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 28 October 2004 20:53 (nineteen years ago) link
The highlight though was Moore confidently stating that Kerry will make the better President because he's going to properly go and hunt down terrorists, wherever they are. "Dude, Where's Your Credibility?" Haven't you just made millions from a film saying the very opposite?
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 28 October 2004 21:59 (nineteen years ago) link
Watch again folks
― Gribowitz (Lynskey), Thursday, 28 October 2004 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gribowitz (Lynskey), Thursday, 28 October 2004 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 28 October 2004 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link
littlejohn would NEVER get on Question Time in the UK, which just shows what a poor shower this lot were.
the audience was woefully ignorant and incapable of expressing points that weren't related directly to their own experiences (and even that was done badly). it was as if they'd never seen a political debate before.
the miami voting league woman was terrific though. she brooked no shit.
― Pete W (peterw), Friday, 29 October 2004 08:25 (nineteen years ago) link
I am still wondering about the pagan woman. Why was her voted discounted? Not because she was pagan, surely? She seemed to imply that.
― Cathy (Cathy), Friday, 29 October 2004 09:58 (nineteen years ago) link
oh god. i almost threw my glass at the tv at that point. i can't believe that no one commented.
xpost - and pagan woman was nuts, too. i'm assuming she meant that her vote was discounted in that bush stole the election despite the popular vote.
― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 29 October 2004 09:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 29 October 2004 10:08 (nineteen years ago) link
What's wrong with scoring party points? We need our people to be as partisan as possible. Moore was not, mostly, on fire, but he had a few better gags than anyone else, and when he takes a verbal swing at the enemy it gets me up and enthused with the blood of the battle. He is our commando guerilla comedy warrior of cynicism and low down dirty cunning and I'm backing him to the hilt any old time he wants to take down one of the enemy.
― the bluefox, Friday, 29 October 2004 12:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 29 October 2004 13:08 (nineteen years ago) link
The audience was annoying - whooping/jeering at every soundbite or before the speaker had a chance to finish their argument.
― Jeff W (zebedee), Friday, 29 October 2004 13:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 29 October 2004 13:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 29 October 2004 13:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― Cathy (Cathy), Friday, 29 October 2004 13:53 (nineteen years ago) link
i've realised i liked the voting woman mainly because of her eyebrow usage.
― Pete W (peterw), Friday, 29 October 2004 14:16 (nineteen years ago) link
ok. lock everyone up and have done with it. we're all capable of walking on to a plane.
― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 29 October 2004 14:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 29 October 2004 14:23 (nineteen years ago) link
I liked Michael Moore's answer to the man who suggested that he wouldn't want war under ANY circumstances.
'I am still wondering about the pagan woman. Why was her voted discounted? Not because she was pagan, surely? She seemed to imply that.'
oh that is what she was saying.
I really got bored from the question about Blair onwards so I didn't get through all of it.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 29 October 2004 14:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 29 October 2004 17:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― Cathy (Cathy), Friday, 29 October 2004 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 29 October 2004 17:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― Cathy (Cathy), Friday, 29 October 2004 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link
Someone who speaks out in direct opposition against the leader of their country, using disinformation as a tactic, while in a "war"?
Sounds like it entirely sums up his past 4 years.
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 29 October 2004 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 29 October 2004 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 29 October 2004 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 29 October 2004 18:07 (nineteen years ago) link
But there is a more serious point. Lord Haw Haw, singnificant insult though it is, describes Moore completely given that he himself accepts America is at war (otherwise he could not claim, without contradiction, that Kerry should "go after terrorists better than Bush did"). The man has no place in rational or democratic politics, pure and simple. He fails to understand the process or the mechanism. (I take Pete W's point upthread about Littlejohn's "supporting your leader", but this is different. We're talking about Moore's own definition.)
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 29 October 2004 18:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 29 October 2004 18:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 29 October 2004 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link
Moore, by his own definition is fighting a "war" and is spreading disinformation in support of it. Aside from direct parallels such as anti-Semetism, which I don't anyone accuse Moore of to date, I don;t see what other part of it is wrong.
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 29 October 2004 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 29 October 2004 18:39 (nineteen years ago) link