PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/why-the-tory-party-seems-have-turned-it-back-on-british-capitalism-1.4045167#.XZ308w07HAI.twitter

It brings to light, in stunning clarity, Brexiters’ deluded political understanding of the UK’s place in the world. From a new understanding, a new politics of national improvement might come; without it we will remain stuck in the delusional, revivalist politics of a banana monarchy.

prof D Edgerton piece for the benefit of that scholar of British history quoted on Sky News in Harrogate the other day.

A pretty good article by yer man here, I thought: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/08/brexit-irish-border-technology

Same article?

no there are laws against linking two Fintan O Toole articles on a thread:p

fuckin will be when im in charge

I mean, when you put it like this labour's position is eminently sensible. LDs going full revoke and CONs going full headbanger have each been a gift

Labour’s Brexit position:
- Negotiate a deal that puts people first. 🤝
- Let the British people decide.🇬🇧
- Bring our country together and rebuild our services. 🚑📔👮‍♀️ pic.twitter.com/NnAwaqW4oY

— The Labour Party (@UKLabour) October 9, 2019

it's a bit disingenuous though. they know there's not a "deal that puts people first"

Also they are inconveniently not in government.

The temerity, letting people vote on it

i think there is a deal that puts people first, in the sense of guaranteeing rights for EU citizens and staying in something that looks a hell of a lot like the customs union.

Yeah, it’s a soft Brexit pitch.

it's the only way to make it go away imo

what needs to be 'got on with' isn't brexit it's a deep renegotiation of the social contract led by a labour government that shifts the fruits of productivity back to the 99% for starters

i mean the idea that leaving the customs union could ever be squared with the gfa has been comprehensively, one might even say logistically proven now. and they are just too proud to admit it.

well, they never cared

but otm on everything else

just yknow leave us out av ut

No way, you lot are on the hook for this one if we can't Get Brexit Done.

interesting thought experiment

we offer to join ye, on condition of removal of oath, to GBD

first order of business we vote with the scotch and the guilty to dissolve the union

then we go back

show me the lie

dissolve this thing asap please keep these cunts to yourselves apologies but really.

rueful lol im afraid youll have to narrow down who's to keep which cunts, unfortunately

nothing simple in these negotiations whut

Cool stuff:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/10/eu-nationals-lacking-settled-status-could-be-deported-minister-says

Willing to place a bet we won't even have left the EU by 2021.

I mean not if my home and livelihood depended on it obviously.

who goes first, uk or poch

Gotta be Poch you'd say but I still have a nagging worry about Oct 31

Lot of arms folded "well why don't they just fill out the form" retorting re settled status as if the form couldn't possibly be construed as a 'tell us your situation so we can deport you more easily' HO trap

How dare you sir we native born Brits believe in fair play

If you are a family member of an EU citizen but not an EU citizen yourself (i.e. husband, child etc) it's not just a form, you have to book an appointment for giving biometric information as well. Anything conveniently close, even in London, comes with a £60 booking fee. And if my experience is any indication it takes many follow-up phone calls to make sure the information gathered there actually gets attached to your application.

To be fair, the other parts of the process are quite well done, and the support lines etc are all well staffed. It's certainly far better thought through than I expected from anything connected with the Home Office.

It's all stupid of course, but if the UK really is leaving the EU then something like this has to be set up and honestly it could have ben done a whole lot worse.

Anything conveniently close, even in London, comes with a £60 booking fee.

Just stating the obvious here but going through the citizenship application process right now and having several friends in visa trouble it is striking how it all comes down to paying up in the end. It's like parody South American corruption except official.

LOL @ Andrea Leadsom claiming the ridiculous 'two letters' wheeze to get Bozo out of asking for an extension was 'perfectly reasonable' and being immediately schooled on it by all and sundry. It has been said itt already but this truly is the stupidest Cabinet the UK has ever had.

Dread Some Anal is waaaaay out in front when it comes to Cabinet stupids, though.

All countries have borders and everyone needs papers. If you aren't born here you need more papers which means knowing the system, filling your forms and paying your bullshit fees. And depending on the politics of the day then who is in or out shifts too. You were in yesterday? Well, that's not today.

That's the lot of the migrant.

Dread Some Anal is waaaaay out in front when it comes to Cabinet stupids, though.

priti patel, dominic raab, liz truss... it's a crowded field

RIP Chris Grayling, want to run to you

DAG not worried about the cunning plans:

General purpose tweet

To any piece of the form "Has [x] discovered a way round the Benn Act?"

The initial answer is "No, Padfield"

Only if the piece explains how the 1968 case of Padfield is also sidestepped, then the piece is legally worthless briefed by the legally amateur

— David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) September 27, 2019

Also Corbyn giving a fine speech in Northampton, but I can't see the 6-month pledge for a referendum not coming back to bite him (given the chance, inshallah)

Truss has an intellect rivalled only by the bacteria that live in cheese. She is in a class of her own.

strikes me having a second referendum within 6 months (ie when you haven’t addressed the underlying factors which contributed to the last result)... is eminently loseable. unless JC is planning to do more in his first 6 months than we expect

October 31 is one of the busiest nights of the year for police officers.

Any Brexit-related disorder will put an additional strain on forces already stretched by dealing with seasonal antisocial behaviour.

Former Home Sec Theresa May agreed the date...https://t.co/GNrWMQTxvz

— Hannah Al-Othman (@HannahAlOthman) October 10, 2019

"I still have a nagging worry about Oct 31"

so do the fookin' plod, they call this period "Autumn Nights" and usually experience a seasonal spike in violent disorder. And this is under people just calmly feighting n' brawling as they normally do conditions!

if we do leave there's gonna be a krystallnacht of the skleps isn't there, the bastards have basically radicalised a huge swathe of the population

I mean, the rest of the speech indicate he's going to do a lot (but not timescales).

Some of the underlying factors have been addressed by the grim reaper, mind - Remain's been the winning option for 18 months at this point.

And yet they somehow can't get together a protest that's more than a few gammons outside Westminster or a handful of miserable looking Countryside Alliance twats trudging across Lincolnshire.

coppers are overplaying this, it's Halloween, it'll only be a few rowdy goths

height of poppy season also cue Priti calling for anyone not wearing one to be jailed

no trv goths are rowdy tbf

even rowdy goths can become suicidal agents of terror who won't be taken alive with a bit of mephedrone and cider!

Bad week to be a Transylvanian immigrant in Whitby

transylvanian rites are inhuman rites

Truss has an intellect rivalled only by the bacteria that live in cheese.

And James Cleverley.

Transylvania seen through the eyes of an Irishman. Reminds me of something…

state of SLAB here - see thread. FUCK motorists imho

Thread on today’s transport vote at Holyrood. Looks like Labour will vote against to shield bosses from a local levy on parking spaces. A Labour idea, no less, working well in Nottingham. https://t.co/SJjVFTX0T2

— James Mackenzie (@mrjamesmack) October 9, 2019

frankfield-best.jpg xp