Impeach Trump Y/N

xxp sure

agree with Οὖτις

Events pushed a solid majority of the caucus behind impeachment, she took note of this and acted accordingly

sure, this is true. i just don't understand why i'm expected to applaud pelosi for her restraint and timing (as opposed to just stfu about her and impeachment, since she finally did it). as morbs mentioned, she's gone out of her way to paint the squad and their proposals as the fringe, even though a core aspect of their appeal was and is representing the viewpoint of several dozen americans who are like "FUCK, get this guy out of office for once of his uncountable crimes, NOW". and when the rising tide finally forced pelosi to act, she did. great. but i wouldn't exactly call her a leader on, more like another box that was checked off along the way. maybe it will turn out that her strategy on impeachment was so impeccable that there was no other way it could have happened. but i can also spin a tale of the democrats impeaching trump as soon as it was clear that his campaign crime spree had continued on into his administration, which iirc was around late jan 2017

several dozen americans

lol, i meant "several dozen million" but then googled to see how often that had ever been used (45K) and never went back to correct it. rest of the paragraph is rock solid and indisputable though

(if it's not clear i love you all and i enjoy these mini-debates, even if i'm insufferable sometimes)

in this tale i spin, the democrats control the house btw

if it's not clear i love you all and i enjoy these mini-debates, even if i'm insufferable sometimes)

srsly thank y’all for keeping me sane through this shit

s-ing tfu is vastly preferable to ranting "oh NOW she's ready to impeach huh, with multiple communications and confessions on record? well la-di-dah Ms Slowpoke, he could have been in jail two months ago and we'd be living in a socialist utopia by now" or w/e

from her perspective rn, waiting for the tide to turn inside and outside her caucus seems like it was a canny play - it's less than a year since the election! - and doubters can still come back and yell on twitter about her waiting too long if it doesn't pan out. win/win (except for everybody losing bar Putin and Zuckerberg)

Any secret WH lurkers on this thread, read this:

I don't know who needs to hear this, but back in the day, when I was a lawyer, over 30 years, I represented 2 high-functioning narcissistic sociopaths.
So I know how the endgame is going to be played out:
Bail out now, enablers. Quit. Cut your best deal. 1/x pic.twitter.com/zdYxGVz0OY

— Dean Gloster (@deangloster) October 5, 2019

No one knows what will happen tomorrow, let alone next week or next month, but if anything comes of this beyond impeachment (which is a given) it's that he could resign with the possibility of a deal that keeps him out of jail. Obvious or no, my wife called it: if his personal business and fortune is at stake, that's when he'll cut and run. The others in his cohort, his kids, his cabinet, I have no idea what becomes of them. Regardless, in office or not he will continue to comport himself in disgrace, and I could also imagine his life playing out like OJs, a semi-pariah who lucked out of jail but couldn't help themselves and kept fucking up. At the very least he will not stop blurting and tweeting and grabbing the headlines until he is dead.

Re: Pelosi, she's handling it well now, calmly, seriously, but it felt like she was the last domino to fall, not the one marshaling support. I did hear that something like all but eight House Dems support impeachment now. Has that number been shrinking because of her? Or are these the people even she couldn't sway? Who knows, doesn't really matter now.

Yeah Pelosi stepped in shit. Let's not pretend she didn't almost blow this, Dummy just gave her a huge assist.

This is an valuable side discussion, well done

Pelosi is a canny political operator. The idea that a superficial read of her statements reflected her intentions as this built was absurd.

The impeachment case is far stronger now. It’s almost like this woman has reached her position because she knows something about politics.

what is this assumed world some of you live in where people in congress have "no choice" but to do their professional duty

have you looked at a republican lately

"that's like 5 people" xp

Grancy herself said Dems had "no choice"

I guess she has inherited Obama's old 9-dimensional Vulcan chess set

"with friends like these...."

I like the crazy (which is to say, totally plausible) Michael Ian Black prediction:

Crazy prediction: Mike Pence resigns to spend more time with Mother, Trump appoints Nikki Haley before resigning himself in exchange for a pardon and then Haley becomes the 2020 Republican presidential nominee against Warren in a first-ever all female presidential contest.

— Michael Ian Black (@michaelianblack) October 5, 2019

Trump will never resign

And this we will have our first Presidential debate where one of the candidates is wearing a diaper

P sure Reagan was diapered up

(which is to say, totally plausible)

ow! my credulity!

Don't wanna know your inside sources xpost

I used to work for a lady who thought Haley was some sort of genius, but otherwise hated the GOP. Made me wonder if she's got a cult following.

There were rumors she was angling to replace Pence on the bill before any of this new shit came out.

Re: resignation, anything is possible with this dude. If some people are even remotely considering the prospect of civil war or dictatorship, then "Trump resigns" is a relatively modest prediction.

McConnell vows to block Trump impeachment in fundraising pitch

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's (R-Ky.) reelection campaign is seizing on the fight over impeachment, pledging in Facebook ads that he will lead Republican efforts to stop President Trump from being removed from office.

"Nancy Pelosi's in the clutches of a left wing mob. They finally convinced her to impeach the president. All of you know your Constitution, the way that impeachment stops is a Senate majority with me as majority leader," McConnell says in an ad that began running on Thursday.

"But I need your help. Please contribute before the deadline," McConnell continues in the ad.

probably going to enjoy pissing on Mc’s grave even more than trump’s tbh

"all of you know your Constitution"...

I know this belongs in the #trenchantsocialcommentary thread, but as a non-American I'm always shocked / amused that every political event or situation is immediately monetised - "because of these events donate NOW" - and in the midst of this sea of corruption allegations, the message going out to America is "if you want to influence politics the best way is via money." I'm mildly outraged when I read statements like "if everyone reading this donated $5 we could flip Indiana" or whatever - public opinion and voter turnouts are commodities purchasable by whomever has the biggest media buy. It feels like a fatal and entrenched weakness.

very different from other countries in this regard

A new lie emerges...

Trump pins Ukraine call on Energy Secretary Rick Perry

President Trump told House Republicans that he made his now infamous phone call to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky at the urging of Energy Secretary Rick Perry — a call Trump claimed he didn’t even want to make.

Behind the scenes: Trump made these comments during a conference call with House members on Friday, according to 3 sources on the call.

Per the sources, Trump rattled off the same things he has been saying publicly — that his call with Zelensky was "perfect"and he did nothing wrong.
But he then threw Perry into the mix and said something to the effect of: "Not a lot of people know this but, I didn't even want to make the call. The only reason I made the call was because Rick asked me to. Something about an LNG [liquified natural gas] plant," one source said, recalling the president's comments. 2 other sources confirmed the first source's recollection.
Why it matters: The president's remarks suggest he may be seeking to distance himself from responsibility or recast the pretext for the call. White House officials did not respond to requests for comment.

Another source on the call said Trump added that "more of this will be coming out in the next few days" — referring to Perry.

Lol, good luck with that. Perry made me do it is pretty weak sauce.

xxp
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/20/opinion/democracy-drowning-cash.html
https://www.mic.com/articles/118598/7-facts-from-the-around-the-world-show-how-absurd-america-s-elections-really-are
https://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/24/world/global-campaign-finance/index.html

Blame It on Perry is like the title of a great lost '80s film.

I guess the question is whether Perry has some motivation to eat this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI5IA8assfk

What a weird coincidence, Trump dragging Perry's name into this for the first time immediately after resigns. So weird, and so totally a coincidence!

What a bag of reconstituted dogshit he is.

The ghost of Cameron Todd Whillingham will have justice.

I would say that, on balance, and for various reasons, yes you should impeach Trump.

"very different from other countries in this regard"

rogermex sounding v Trumpy

which is it man? am I a MAGA or a Clinton Stan or whatever you call Pelosians... ffs choose one insult and stick with it 😂

you're multidimensional

I am large. I contain multitudes.

-bob marley

rogermex sounding v Trumpy

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius)

we all sound very trumpy these days, or most of us. three years of his blather has certainly shaped the way i talk. i'm not happy about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQl62w71Ets

Grancy herself said Dems had "no choice"

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius)

"no choice" meaning "the facts compel it", or "no choice" meaning "we must obey the whims of this angry mob who i personally disagree with, because otherwise i might lose re-election"? i'm not asking for your answer - i can guess - but i'd need to see the context.

stevie nicks really glammed up that nirvana song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uukOdFdyqVQ

Still miles from the Springsteen demo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2T_mSGIFPQ

WB lawyer: “I can confirm that my firm and my team represent multiple whistleblowers in connection to the underlying August 12, 2019, disclosure to the Intelligence Community Inspector General. No further comment at this time.”

— Ken Dilanian (@KenDilanianNBC) October 6, 2019

I don't get the distinction really, rushomancy

I have never cared what pols like Pelosi 'actually believe' - it's unrelated to their actions