2020 Democratic presidential primary

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I like Joe My God! the commenters are like any anywhere, ie not worth paying attention to

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likely not the one i'm talking about. they're mostly neolibs, they just don't know it

Bernie Sanders had two stents inserted after chest discomfort yesterday, per statement.

"We are canceling his events...until further notice." pic.twitter.com/zEN5biQKGT

— Shane Goldmacher (@ShaneGoldmacher) October 2, 2019

Was about to post.

Fuck, that sucks.

!

;_;

v upset the CIA shot him with their artery blockage gun

god damn it

bernie <3

Well this is bullshit

Bernie's campaign cancelled his Iowa ad buy

Just as he secured another endorsement too

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/02/cramer-bernie-sanders-leninist-agenda-scarier-than-elizabeth-warren.html

If all Bernie accomplishes is making Warren seem like the reasonable choice that's still not bad

Bernie's campaign cancelled his Iowa ad buy

shit, really?

i was just reading about that ad this morning, the first big spending of his campaign in iowa ($1M plus, i think)

just voted Martin O'Malley

Contrarian

not too late for Lupe Fiasco to enter

interesting new monmouth poll (https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_us_100219/):

in just the early states (those with primaries in february 2020 or super tuesday on march 3):

warren: 28%
biden: 25%
sanders: 14%

everyone else at 5 or under.

in all other states:

warren: 28%
biden: 25%
sander: 16%
buttigieg: 6%

fortunately if Bernie wins the nomination we won't have to worry about his opponent or any of his opponent's favorite media outlets trying to use his health to create hysteria.

fear of what the Republicans will do to the candidate is def the key to donkey victory

so why worry about Warren's chances then?

bernie's age/health was always a legitimate concern imo. same with biden obv.

they're in the race to make Warren look young and vital!

lol @ Harris pickin a fight with Twitter

She wants attention.

This is beyond not good. When Republican politicians say this about the US everyone knows what it means. https://t.co/c1TlFLN175

— Shuja Haider (@shujaxhaider) September 30, 2019

That's a silly and devoid of context way to interpret that statement.

I don't think "due to demographic realities, they're going to destroy themselves unless they choose a more conciliatory path" has the same semantic meaning as "due to demographic realities, they must subjugate the encroaching demographics before they are subsumed" even though they start with the same phrase.

Like, Warren is literally saying that Israel's survival is incumbent upon treating Palestine as fully-fledged good faith partner, yet somehow this is being painted as if she is saying the most important thing is for Israel to grind the heels of its boots against Palestine's neck, but the person who gets it right is the same person who 3 years ago couldn't distinguish between "issues that affect black people" and "issues that affect poor people".

wait are you suggesting that Morbz is promoting a bad faith argument?!?!

I mean, it is a Wednesday

we'll see, perhaps

I just want to know why you aren't convinced Sanders is going to disappoint you to, because he is.

if i only i had your kind of good faith in everything, Shakey, like "nothing is all Pelosi can do" for two years

he's not cuz he's never gonna be president xp

you've read my display name, right?

Thus your favored candidate of course

*shrug* killers iz killers

I don't think "due to demographic realities, they're going to destroy themselves unless they choose a more conciliatory path" has the same semantic meaning as "due to demographic realities, they must subjugate the encroaching demographics before they are subsumed" even though they start with the same phrase.

― brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 19:53 (seventeen minutes ago) link

Like, Warren is literally saying that Israel's survival is incumbent upon treating Palestine as fully-fledged good faith partner, yet somehow this is being painted as if she is saying the most important thing is for Israel to grind the heels of its boots against Palestine's neck, but the person who gets it right is the same person who 3 years ago couldn't distinguish between "issues that affect black people" and "issues that affect poor people".

― brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 19:57 (thirteen minutes ago) link

Yes, this is exactly OTM. And also these particular demographic issues are discussed REGULARLY and OPENLY in Palestinian media and literature as well as Israeli media and literature of all stripes. She clearly meant "there is some leverage to force israel into a solution because they know that eventually the political power of Arabs in Israel will increase." And all of this has a very different meaning in a state that is founded, for better or worse, on the pretense of being a "Jewish state" than in the U.S. which at least has pretensions of being a state for all people.

lol @ Harris pickin a fight with Twitter

― Οὖτις, Thursday, October 3, 2019 5:25 AM (forty-two minutes ago)

She wants attention.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, October 3, 2019 5:27 AM (forty minutes ago)

it's a good thing for a candidate to get attention by picking quixotic fights about serious issues, even if it's extremely bad and stupid that this is an issue in 2019

I don't think "due to demographic realities, they're going to destroy themselves unless they choose a more conciliatory path" has the same semantic meaning as "due to demographic realities, they must subjugate the encroaching demographics before they are subsumed" even though they start with the same phrase.

otm

Warren's mediocre on Israel, but I'd like to see the evidence that Bernie is any better. He appears to be mealy mouthed in the same ways.

Who cares about Israel? The obsession needs to end seriously. I swear I’ve heard more about Israel from the whole US political spectrum than Puerto Rico.

In the past year, I mean.

lol...

well it's where Armageddon is gonna start if the waters don't get us first

Could he do more in pointing out their war crimes? yes. but the fact that Bernie as the most high profile American Jewish politician ever has been openly critical of israel and has endorsed the possibility of leveraging US aid toward a just solution with the Palestinians is a very big deal. its an unprecedented position for a serious democrat presidential candidate to take.

I'm in the Bernie camp. but one place where I feel Warren is far stronger is on the filibuster (and I'm somewhat surprised there's not been much mention of that in the back and forth between the two here, as it seems a pretty substantive issue to say the least). Wall St regulation too, but the filibuster is one where she has the strongest advantage for me