I dare you to anticipate Joaquin Phoenix in Todd Phillips's JOKER (now with something that may or may not be a SPOILER)

So, the reason this is garnering so much discussion is because it's manipulative as hell, and purposefully withholds information which is crucial to determine what is going on. Technically, it's very good, but as a political or social film, it's worthless. It's impossible to discuss, since it's impossible to determine whether or not something very very very important actually happens or not. And without that information, it's just pointless to take it any further.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFyufOdX0AAZaFS.jpg

the day the laughter died ;_;

he seems nice

Girls Trip grossed $115.2 million in the United States and Canada and $24.9 million in other territories for a total gross of $140.1 million, against a net production budget of $19 million.[3] Deadline Hollywood calculated the film made a net profit of $66.1 million, when factoring together all expenses and revenues.[19]

Crazy Rich Asians grossed $174.5 million in the United States and Canada, and $64 million elsewhere, for a worldwide gross of $238.5 million, against a production budget of $30 million.[4] In October 2018, it became the highest-grossing romantic comedy of the last 10 years, and the 6th-highest-grossing ever.[102] Deadline Hollywood calculated the net profit of the film to be $120.8 million, when factoring together all expenses and revenues.[81]

The Big Sick grossed $42.9 million in the United States and Canada, and $13.4 million in other territories, for a total gross of $56.2 million.[3]

In the film's limited opening weekend, it made $421,577 from five theaters (a per-theater gross of $84,315, the best of 2017 until Lady Bird in November), finishing 17th at the box office.[34] The film expanded to 2,597 theaters on July 14, 2017, and was projected to gross $9–11 million over the weekend.[31] It grossed $7.6 million over the weekend, finishing fifth at the box office.[35] On July 25, the film crossed $26 million, becoming the second highest-grossing independent film of 2017.[36][37]

Fuck Todd Phillips and his ilk.

With all my comedies- I [continues to explain for another 5,000 words in the pages of Vanity Fair that he has been silenced by PC SJWs gone mad]

Maybe white men just aren't funny?

look the real tragedy here is the world may never get to see Road Trip 3

spare a thought for todd, forced to make the $55m sad clown movie for a major studio in order to supplement his meagre income

Director Todd Phillips called in to promote his latest film, 'The Hangover 2,' the inevitable sequel to his surprise hit: "It was an R-rated comedy with no big names in it...they [studio execs] were not banking on it."

To get it made, Todd traded his fee for points on the back end: 10% of the film's gross after its first $80 million--when it made $500 million worldwide, Todd netted around $45 million: "That deal wasn't available to me this time around." Todd said the film also made for the highest-selling comedy DVD ever, netting him even more.

So I guess this film is autobiographical? He wasn't allowed to make the world laugh so he settled for making the world burn.

The latest Jacobin article really goes off imo pic.twitter.com/rJ7hhpSIK7

— Sturgeon's Law (@Sturgeons_Law) October 1, 2019

(not really jacobin, it's from a collection of academic essays about the joker)

I've read some reviews indicating the motivating factor for the Joker's in-film popularity is his stance against the rich being in power, as in a noted billionaire in the movie running for mayor. Waiting for the think pieces about how he's actually antifa, when this take (if it's the route the film assumes) is more like a caricature of a violent occupy movement

In any case, I don't think any superhero filmmaker is going to be useful at accurately or sympathetically portraying real life politics with any nuance and worst we get a retread of The Dark Knight Rises with people dumping the rich in the street and trying them in kangaroo courts

https://ios10emojis.tumblr.com/post/187733510768/joker

Should I assume that's set to a currently popular song?

song from 2005, Laffy Taffy by D4L

my favorite joker meme is the jeb bush over election map juxtaposition

y'all just pretending like the new joker ain't the second coming of Jeb! pic.twitter.com/0ywWPMdJP7

— Anarcho-Juche🇰🇵Septuagenarian Sex Dril Bro (@JohanBarbarossa) September 22, 2019

purposefully withholds information which is crucial to determine what is going on. Technically, it's very good, but as a political or social film, it's worthless. It's impossible to discuss, since it's impossible to determine whether or not something very very very important actually happens or not. And without that information, it's just pointless to take it any further.

How big is Jokers wang in this

We all know that the Joker's real origin story was that he worked as comedian, but that his edgy humor no longer played well on college campuses.

— caspersatz 👻 (@casersatz) April 3, 2019

Pretty sure he was just an average upper middle class white dude who was told 'no' for the first time and immediately went insane.

A friend just realized he thought Todd Phillips was Todd Solondz.

Now THERE'S a missed opportunity.

A friend just realized he thought Todd Phillips was Todd Solondz.

The playwright from Fear, Anxiety, and Depression becomes the Clown Prince of Crime. Me, I want to see Todd Haynes' Joker

purposefully withholds information which is crucial to determine what is going on. Technically, it's very good, but as a political or social film, it's worthless.

so....its a movie

but not a film

Time was a movie cost a nickle

Then they took the Bible out the schools

its pronounced fillum

feeyulm

its pronounced fillum

Had a teacher (gym coach forced to teach actual classes) who pronounced it this way. We watched about three fillums a week in his "class."

Were these...dirty fillums

its pronounced durty

I can't help but notice that people like John Waters who make genuinely shocking, outrageous films don't go around whining in interviews how everyone is so mean and unfair for getting shocked and appalled at the film they made.

— Mario Bava's Green Gel Light Filter (@Ruby_Stevens) October 1, 2019

no one:

absolutely no one:

me: i fixed the joker trailer by putting it to "drama queen (that girl)" by lindsay lohan from the 2004 film, confessions of a teenage drama queen
— Anne Sundell (@anne_sundell) - 1 Oct 2019

i don't want to see this but i have some thoughts.

i think it's very possible the movie is sympathetic to joker, in some twisted way, just like todd phillips' first movie was sympathetic to its subject, GG Allin. america is soft on self-pitying narcissists who are willing to hurt others to get attention, especially if they're white men. or in any case, it encourages the behavior (cf. the current president, whose name escapes me).. in the trailer the joaquin phoenix voiceover mentions that he "didn't even know he existed" and felt like he needed validation in the mass media to feel "real" and this seemed -- not like an original idea at all -- but like an extremely american pathology. it's very possible the movie does end up saying something illuminating about why we're so broken.

i think the question of whether it will "inspire" violence seems a little alarmist. it's not like you can predict what will set people off.

i don't want to see this but i have some thoughts.

mods new board descrip pls

i mean, the movie seems incredibly glum and self-important and of all characters in cinema history none has been more mined to death than the joker, avatar of "chaos."

who would see this?

The Dark Knight was also incredibly glum, self-important, and a slog.

mods new board descrip pls

cosign

for sure it was alfred. every christopher nolan film is bad.

fwiw i like this for a new board description

Yeah I'm in the tank for this dumbass piece of shit

― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Wednesday, August 28, 2019 1:16 PM (one month ago) bookmarkflaglink

gamers rise up

Saw it. It's bleak, practically a horror film.

I'm going to a baby screening of this on Saturday, seems appropriate amirite

to be clear, I am bringing a baby (my own)

Edelstein disliked it:

As Time’s Stephanie Zacharek put it, the film is less an exploration of a modern pathology than a symptom of it. It’s an anthem for incels. It brings to mind Stephen Metcalf’s incisive 2012 essay in Slate after a disturbed man opened fire in a theater showing The Dark Knight Rises. Metcalf didn’t blame the movie, exactly. But he did trace a connection between civil massacres and characters like Joker. The young men who had committed such acts believed “they had been grossly undervalued by the world—so much so, their lives had become one long psychic injury.” Metcalf suggests these men are drawn to supervillains, with their “charismatic malevolence” and ability to put modern technology to “creatively annihilative” uses, because it allows them to aggrandize themselves as Mephistophelean. Building on Hannah Arendt’s famous assessment of the Nazi Adolf Eichmann, who represented “the banality of evil,” Metcalf argued the best way to discourage incidents like the one in that theater (which have become way more frequent in the meantime) is to “divest evil of its grandiosity or mythic resonance by completely banalizing it.” In other words, make them look like the loser schmucks they are.

Although Phillips and the screenwriters sought to make Joker more realistic than its DC Comics predecessors, it exalts its protagonist and gives him the origin story of his dreams, in which killing is a just — and artful — response to a malevolently indifferent society. Arthur/Joker might be repulsive, but in a topsy-turvy universe, repulsive is attractive. I’m not arguing that Joker will inspire killings (it might, but so might a lot of other things), only that it panders to selfish, small-minded feelings of resentment. Also it’s profoundly boring — a one-joke movie.

Spoilers but....

...we get yet another Thomas/Martha Wayne shooting, replete with pearls.

Only he's a Koch bros asshole

Jokie is not an incel, he's severely abused from birth and mostly just fucks with his attackers, Frankenstein's monster style. His followers are the incels. He also kills a few cels.

Dude ain't Joker. It's not pleasant to watch. It's more Joker Todd, the Demon Clown of Gotham

I don't really get the "anthem for incels". The movie doesn't celebrate anything. It's joyless. The incel followers come across as mindless hypocrites.

It's not particularly intelligent but there aren't fist pumping moments. It's not something I will see again.

To be called an “incel” you have to subscribe to the ideology right? There are men and women that have dry spells, or just aren’t interested in sex and romance, and I don’t think that should be stigmatized.

I think it makes more sense to call them redpillers or something.