Impeach Trump Y/N

obvious move for the Dems is to get testimony from first-hand accounts/ie people the whistleblower talked to.

Good luck with that.

Trump will just claim executive privilege, lawsuits will be filed with contempt citations etc.

like, someone in his inner circle has to actually turn on him, not just some random CIA guy

the Dems should be thinking of this like the FBI does w/mafia racketeering/RICO cases - you need an informant, and you need leverage over that informat.

If the whistleblower really had those discussions with officials, there are enough people in the know that I don't think the conspiracy can be kept a secret.

If the whistleblower knew about the Ukraine call and knew the open information about the Ukrainian relations, then made up the stuff about the discussions with officials, then the conspiracy might be better guarded.

The files, records, notes that are going to be required to understand this are not supposed to be open to the public for DECADES. But they'll pried open, the secrets they contain will ruin careers and roil the politics of allied and adversary countries. 5/x

— John A Gans Jr (@johngansjr) September 26, 2019

Does John A Gans, Jr. have an alternate suggestion on how to proceed?

This is such mueller deja vu

xp well from the rest of his thread i think there's just nothing to be done about that

Ooh, he invokes Iran-Contra. Yeah, that really tore the country apart, and totally ruined the careers of ... people.

I think that Οὖτις's recent posts are otm

Y'all should get out of this thread and watch some movies. Criterion has at least ten Naruse films.

you're right Alfred

but… impeachment!

It'll still be there in the morning.

...or mourning.

i legit had a great week because of the impeachment energy. bummer that poll is only 50 / 45 in support and yet a majority feels more significant than the numbers themselves suggest, somehow.

it's been only 48 hours!

So Giuliani went on Laura Ingraham's show and said some stuff. Make sure you look at the entire thread.

Wow. Rudy Giuliani is on Ingraham's show implicating the State Department in the Ukraine scandal.

"The whistleblower falsely alleges that I was operating on my own. Well, I wasn't operating on my own." pic.twitter.com/4o1feYTZFU

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) September 27, 2019

The look on her face as she realizes it's all going to shit is priceless.

i legit had a great week because of the impeachment energy. bummer that poll is only 50 / 45 in support and yet a majority feels more significant than the numbers themselves suggest, somehow.

― cheese canopy (map), Thursday, September 26, 2019 9:48 PM (fifty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

it's been only 48 hours!

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, September 26, 2019 9:51 PM (fifty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

it's also rising quickly. just now i was reading the david brooks opinion piece "Yes, Trump is Guilty, but Impeachment is a Mistake", because i hate myself, and he was citing the quinnipiac poll showing 37% support.

by the way, his second argument is that impeachment is elitist because it puts the decision in the hands of 100 people instead of letting everyone vote on it

xp I don't really see a look on her face tbh, just a blank smile. I actually met her once, in a gay bar in SF when she was visiting her brother, she seemed ok in person at the time, I never would have thought she would become this toxic

If the US Constitution hadn't been written by elitists looking to keep the hoi-polloi well under wraps, there would never have been an electoral college and Trump would never have been elected. You say you want "everyone" voting on who's president, then first you must get rid of the fucking EC. Stupid goddamn David Brooks can eat a bag of dicks.

how can we impeach david brooks?

Stupid goddamn David Brooks can eat a bag of dicks.

OTM

it's crazy. here's the actual text (bold and italics in original)

This is completely elitist. We’re in the middle of an election campaign. If Democrats proceed with the impeachment process, it will happen amid candidate debates, primaries and caucuses. Elections give millions and millions of Americans a voice in selecting the president. This process gives 100 mostly millionaire senators a voice in selecting the president.

As these two processes unfold simultaneously, the contrast will be obvious. People will conclude that Democrats are going ahead with impeachment in an election year because they don’t trust the democratic process to yield the right outcome. Democratic elites to voters: We don’t trust you. Too many of you are racists!

er, i forgot putting that in quote formatting makes every word italic. the original has the last bit ('democratic elites to voters...') in italics.

(i don't know why i'm honing in on the italics, and the proper carryover of the italics to a new format, so much. seems important)

anyway, the wild irony of david brooks saying that supporting impeachment means supporting "democratic elites" sending the message to voters that "too many of you are racists!", in an essay arguing that the current completely racist elitist president should get to serve out the rest of his term

Thanks to the EC the muculent Infowars-hat wearing blob sitting on a porch in Wyoming with a shotgun on his lap gets jest as much a say in who's President than those godless pussies in California!

more of a say

Democrats are going ahead with impeachment in an election year because they don’t trust the democratic process to yield the right outcome.

Impeachment is bill of indictments for presidential crimes against the nation and his oath of office, and it results in a criminal trial by the senate. Does David Brooks understand what it means to have the head of state engaging in "high crimes" against the state, or the consequences of blithely choosing to leave him office for another 15 months?

Brooks' brain has turned to mush.

He is also the dude that said Whitewater was a more substantive scandal than Russiagate.

many people are saying that his brain is actually the direct descendant of mash potatoes and mush

mashed potatoes!
mashed!

goddammit this night's gone to mush

*italian chef kiss*

RIP David Brooks

I love these new rules wrt election years they pull outta their ass. No impeachment! No supreme court nominations! Why? Cause an election will happen in less than 2 years duh it's just common sense.

just trying to get some of my american facts right. impeachment (not removal from office) only requires the majority of the house, which the democrats have, and then the impeachment trial is done in the senate, which the republicans control. is this right? so it makes political sense for the democrats to drag the house portion out for a while.

it’s their way of helping out popcorn farmers hurt by the tariff battles

Except they apparently want to get it done as quickly as possible

are you basing that on the public statements of a politician?

just trying to get some of my american facts right. impeachment (not removal from office) only requires the majority of the house, which the democrats have, and then the impeachment trial is done in the senate, which the republicans control. is this right? so it makes political sense for the democrats to drag the house portion out for a while.

I thought the idea was to do things in as much public view as possible to help the public see the actuality of what had happened not the spin they were used to. So as much of the investigation being able to get out to people as possible through the better instead of speedily rushing it so it was concluded the wrong way.

huh?

The process of impeachment was supposed to be exposing how much wrong had been done so the public were fully aware of things instead of just dismissing them as just another nothing burger was supposed to be as important as getting things done as fast as possible.
So the weight would be the public actually wanting to make sure wrongdoing was punished instead of it being spun so they would see justice as being done if the Republican partisan senate dismissed it as an attack on their beloved President. That all the democratic party were ganging up on because they lost the 2016 election, not because there was an idiotic despot threatening the continued existence of the planet in a daily basis since he was allowed to get into power.

Re: speedy impeachment process

NEW w/ @rachaelmbade -- Dems eye impeachment sprint over coming weeks...
-Intel Cmte takes lead on Ukraine as other cmtes wrap probes
-Few, if any hearings
-No set timeline, but some Dems eyeing floor vote around T'givinghttps://t.co/u95zqb9K1k

— Mike DeBonis (@mikedebonis) September 26, 2019

from David Remnick's new profile of Pelosi:

Earlier this week, Pelosi said, she took a call from Trump, who started out talking about guns. “The President, as you know, is big on what he claims is the charm offensive,” she said. “And some of his charm offensive is very offensive. He was calling me ostensibly to talk about guns, and I have to take him seriously if that is the purpose of the call. I welcome any overture to talk about gun safety. He was telling me progress was being made with his work with Democrats and Republicans. My point was, ‘I don’t know what Democrats you were talking to. We sent you a bipartisan bill over two hundred days ago, and that’s the way to save the most lives.’ ”

That was the first part of the conversation. “Then he somehow segued into what was happening now—that this phone call [with Zelensky] was ‘perfect.’ ‘When you hear this phone call, it was perfect.’ And I said, ‘No, it was wrong. . . . You understand your words weigh a ton. The words of the President of the United States weigh a ton.’ ” Pelosi told me that she doesn’t normally talk about calls with a President—“It’s a historic thing, a call between the President and the Speaker of the House”—but this was different.

When I asked Pelosi if she thought Trump knows, in this instance or any other, the difference between right and wrong, she replied, “He knows the difference between right and wrong, but I don’t know that he really cares. I do think his categorical imperative is what’s good is what is right for him. In the campaign, he told us who he was. He said that he could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and nobody would care, that his supporters wouldn’t care. Well, he could violate our Constitution, the integrity of our elections, and dishonor his oath of office, as he did in this call, and think that nobody cares.”

I don't know, sounds to me like Rudy has it pretty much figured out. Soros, Hillary, 2016 Ukrainian election interference, Bidens, servers ... Dems should hold off and see where he goes with this, maybe save us all some trouble.

Pelosi on Morning Joe: "It's no use to say 'We'll finish by such-and-such a date,' but the administration is hastening this process by providing these documents."

Here, let me stave off these outrageous claims that I 'robbed a bank' by showing you the multitude of luxury goods I bought with the money. Now can we just drop this nonsense already? Sheesh.

I dont even really understand what they think happened with ukraine and the server to be honest