Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

Brad, do we have confirmation on this?

I might be getting the timeline muddled. He certainly seemed more central in the pilot than he turned out to be, I guess?

I had some theories about MIKE being the only Lodge entity that looked the same in his real-world manifestation but they got shot all to hell over the course of The Return.

wait, what other forms does he have in the Return?

Brad, do we have confirmation on this?

― maffew12, Wednesday, September 25, 2019 5:47 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

nope it literally just occurred to me as an idea. sounds right to me, still

Brad, do we have confirmation on this?

― maffew12, Wednesday, September 25, 2019 7:47 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yes, Lynch explained it in both his Blu-ray commentary and in the many interviews he's given where he patiently answers in detail every lingering question about the show.

MIKE doesn't take other forms in The Return but I had some whackadoo notion that Doppelcooper would wind up losing an arm at some point or something, I don't even know, we were all in a wildly speculative mode back then.

lol what

also, Blu-ray commentary???

Yeah, he recorded several of them. Once he finally popped the cork he just couldn't stop explaining everything.

(If it isn't clear, I'm talking utter shit rn.)

you know i don't think i've ever really thought about this before but if bob had been successful in taking over laura the world would've ended pretty much immediately

everything would've been erased and we'd be at peace

Gerard/Mike occupies a strange place in the show. Started as an homage to The Fugitive and was meant to be a brief nonspeaking role. Once Lynch realized that he was a legit actor he wanted more of him. Gerard is only glimpsed briefly in the pilot (except for Euro movie version). I think he mentions God during Cooper's dream (which used the same footage). I haven't gotten to the interrogation where they deny him his drugs, so I can't remember if he mentions God there. But yeah, God can mean a lot of different things.

Lynch and his cowriter for Fire Walk With Me began to really figure out Mike & The Arm (little man from another place) during the writing of FWWM, so a lot of what happened with them prior to that was just winging it.

In my imagination, Philip Gerard was a real man that got wrapped up in the lodges. He was a salesman, his best friend was Bob Lydecker, the veterinarian in Twin Peaks. Between season 2 & 3 he went into the red room and stayed there, trying to make up for the wrongs he had done in the past. But trying to make real sense of it is a fool's game.

Still, I was taken aback at seeing him acting as a normal dude with his shoes and whatnot.

I’m pretty sure in the interrogation he repeats a lot of stuff he said in the dream verbatim (the poem obv, but I feel like some other stuff too) so the god line may have reappeared there

I guess we'll never know for sure

Yes, Lynch explained it in both his Blu-ray commentary and in the many interviews he's given where he patiently answers in detail every lingering question about the show.

I practically never type this, but: lol.

how do i know you know anything about... this?

purple ocean dimension: shades of planet caladan (and unrelatedly, myst)

Someone we know who is "in the know" just let something Very Interesting slip about the future of TWIN PEAKS

If it's true, we'll be squealing and giddy in 2020!

— Hollywood Horror Museum 🧛 (@horrormuseum) September 27, 2019

https://i.imgur.com/nyj8ofE_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

aaaaaahhhhh

It isn’t really anything until someone that isn’t “Hollywood horror museum” says it is (and I still find it hard to envision any more twin peaks stuff with so many key players gone) but hell

I don’t think Twin Peaks is really about key players to Lynch tho. Outside of a few. FWWM and S3 were pretty gnarly in the ways he refigured or replaced them.

Yeah I guess, like Carel Struycken wasn’t even brought back for the film, & half the original cast had their scenes cut... the biggest absence from the return might be Donna considering her importance to the film. That said one of the moving things about the third series is how they bent over backwards to include people like Phoebe Augustine and Walter Olkewicz, or made Don Davis & David Bowie’s characters central despite both actors being dead, or how they replaced Michael Ontkean but made sure his absence was felt by making constant references to it, and so on.

I know ppl think ray wise didn’t get enough screen time or whatever but for a ruthlessly unsentimental assault on nostalgia it can be pretty sweet at times. But anyway yeah, I think if Lynch wanted to do more he wouldn’t be too stymied by missing actors - I really just mean I personally have a hard time picturing any kind of continuation without Albert and log lady ☹️

otm

I’m not expecting a new series, would be happy if Lynch just gets to keep making stuff, but will note that season 3 was also announced just a few months after a box set was released.

I could just as easily imagine it turning out to be a new series unrelated to TP

Wally Brando: The Return

Would love an American road trip w wally tbh

I really hate that this is the case but I get the feeling Lynch might come to the conclusion that he can’t get films funded unless they’re twin peaks-related, and if he wants to realise the ideas in the antelope don’t run no more he has to hang them on a continuation of tp

If there is another season, Cooper would need to fulfill his destiny in some way and be released. It would seem gratuitous to have *three* shockingly tragic endings for Coop.

i don't believe that at all. lynch will do what he wants to do. if he's done with twin peaks and wants to do other stuff i don't see why he couldn't get funding.

He’s been talking about the difficulty of getting his films made since before inland empire I think? idk it’s similar to what John Waters said a few years back about how small- & megabudget films get backed but the middle ground was disappearing (& he was like, I’m an old guy, fuck if I’m gonna be a guerrilla filmmaker at this stage of my career). From what it says in the biography antelopes is an ambitious script that would be expensive to film the way Lynch wants & that was a sticking point - I don’t think it’s exactly controversial to say that Showtime would probably not have signed on for Untitled 18-Part David Lynch Series in 2014

otoh things are quite different now with bezos tv putting out refn and such so who knows, I just don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that everyone’s in a mad rush to write cheques for the guy unattached to any “property”

Remember that Spielberg apparently had a hard time convincing studios to do the Abraham Lincoln film, which seems like as surefire a success as anything could be.
Maybe the film studio people are the dumbest people on earth. I remember seeing Will Smith explaining the concept of Bright as if he was trying to explain string theory and maybe he is just used to films being pitched to the least imaginative people who are supposed to gauge what the public will understand.

lol!

BY THE WAY regarding TWIN PEAKS

To the people saying "we're lying, we're full of crap, we don't know what we're talking about" etc

Just donate One US Dollar to our non-profit 501c3 foundation next year, when it turns out we're right https://t.co/FEdi8Qbezm 😊

— Hollywood Horror Museum 🧛 (@horrormuseum) September 28, 2019

rly hope it isn't more twin peaks :(

i'm excited for whatever he wants to make. he's making the best work of his career imo

rly hope it isn't more twin peaks :(

yeah idk dlh, I trust lynch to get whatever this turns out to be right

just finished a rewatch of the return, and while it was obviously incredible, the dougie storyline really opened itself up to me this time compared to the first, where I was kind of confused and found it repetitive. janey-E’s chrarcter and the mitchum brothers are highlights of the season

weirdly, I almost felt that the red room stuff was the least interesting part of the series? there were just so many fascinating terrestrial characters this time around...contrast this to the first two seasons where so much of the screen time was devoted to the teenagers, who were easily the weakest part of the series for me

it hardly needs to be said that the music and sound design in the return was so, so masterful. lynch was behind all that shit!

Honestly leaving aside part 8/18 and all the rest, the return would be worth it only for that scene of Sonny Jim Jones compulsively looping around the jungle gym. Vital shit

I honestly couldn’t even begin to describe part 8 intelligently other than it’s basically the best shit I’ve ever seen

i trust lynch to get anything right i just would much rather he got something else right cuz i'm rly sick of zigzags

i preordered "from z to a" yesterday

so the announcement's probably a nicer set

If this Very Interesting thing about the future of TWIN PEAKS isn’t nothing I don’t think it will be something that has nothing to do with twin peaks btw

Honestly if they did a region 2 from z to a set I’d prob buy it. If the new thing turned out to be something as simple as the feature where Lynch interviewed the Palmer family in character I’d be happy, that thing was haunting. He has a very good handle on this material

If nothing else there will probably be some kind of 30th anniversary activity.

do you recall my business rivals, and bitter enemies, the mitchum brothers?

the mitchum brothers plot line was soooo good

the part where candy goes down to the casino floor and they watch her perform inscrutable gestures for a long while on a big sony flatscreen until belushi yells "what the FUCK!!" is almost as meta as when the thing comes out of the watched box and lacerates you