2020 Democratic presidential primary

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i mean, mayor pete wasn't entirely wrong: john brown's tactics were brutal. the ppl he and his men killed in the pottawatomie massacre were not slave owners (tho they supported the pro-slavery faction in 1850s kansas, which was basically a kind of war zone). otoh i find it impossible not to see brown as a hero. his actions can't be fairly seen or judged outside of the context of an america in which slavery existed. mayor pete suggesting that oh maybe he went a little too far is entirely on brand for him, the kind of liberal who condemns violence in one breath while touting his service in the afghanistan war in the next.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 18:21 (six years ago)

Can you imagine the shitstorm if any democrat said ‘Brown is a hero, his actions were necessary’ ?

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 18:51 (six years ago)

John Brown's body lies a molderin' in the grave
John Brown's body lies a molderin' in the grave
John Brown's body lies a molderin' in the grave
His soul's marching on!

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 18:53 (six years ago)

Now that Buttigeig has offered his opinion on John Brown, I want his ranking of Kansas albums.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 19:06 (six years ago)

jd otm

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 19:38 (six years ago)

Seems like this impeachment inquiry will be a net negative for Biden.

o. nate, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 14:37 (six years ago)

Seems like this impeachment inquiry will be a net negative for Biden.

― o. nate,

Ok, I'm all in now

anvil, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 14:41 (six years ago)

sir there is clearly a brick wall in front of this vehicle https://t.co/K6lqVVpaU2

— 🤔𝐿𝑜𝐺𝑖𝐶💪öƀlíẗéṛáẗőr🌹【spooky】➐ (@antifa_belonger) September 24, 2019

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 14:44 (six years ago)

I really don't know if this will help or hurt Biden. It will pull his son's (probably ethically dubious) work in the Ukraine into the news. But do people care? I kind of don't care what Hunter Biden did. But I also wasn't going to vote for Biden in the primary unless everyone but Gabbard dropped out.

akm, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 15:09 (six years ago)

I suspect there are going to be a ton of total dipshit liberals who suddenly love Biden now that the "cheeto in chief" is attacking him directly. The same way a bunch of democratic voters somehow thought it was worthwhile to contribute to Andrew McCabe's GoFundMe campaign to pay for his retirement after Trump fired him from his role as Deputy Director of the FBI.

OneSecondBefore, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 17:02 (six years ago)

yep, there will be. i am doing my best not to think about all of those people, because it is incredibly depressing

Sally Jessy (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 17:08 (six years ago)

I have a slightly brighter hope - that Biden becomes damaged goods just from association with this tawdry mess and recedes from view... while at the same time, Trump works himself up into a frenzy of rage over the inquiry and self-destructs in some yet-to-be-determined fashion.

Instant Carmax (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 17:57 (six years ago)

feel like Biden will fade naturally enough on his own that it’s not worth wishing him ill.

I joked a while back that the point of his candidacy was to prove without a doubt that we don’t need a Joe Biden in 2019, but to the extent that his candidacy has provoked and flushed out more bad behavior he’s done good service.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 18:02 (six years ago)

imo, if everyone is absolutely confident that the full extent of the Hunter stuff is in the public domain, the risk is probably manageable and impeachment might end up giving him a boost.

What’d be keeping me up at night if I was his campaign manager is the extent to which the ‘Hunter was paid to do nothing’ narrative holds up under close scrutiny. If he was actively lobbying in Washington for Burisma using family connections as an ‘in’, for example, that would be more embarrassing.

ShariVari, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 18:59 (six years ago)

Delicious to think about: Once Biden is out (presuming rogermexico is right), then all Trumpian machinations against Biden will have been for naught.

He can be all BIDEN BIDEN BIDEN HILLARY HILLARY HILLARY Kenya Benghazzzzemails #$^$#!#7slakjba…

And then Warren (one hopes) can be like, "You mean the person who's not running for office? Yawn. Next question."

Instant Carmax (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 19:16 (six years ago)

you forget his deft insight into her racial makeup! by gum, that'll play to middle america!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 19:20 (six years ago)

Council on Foreign Relations has asked the candidates questions

https://www.cfr.org/election-2020/candidates-answer-cfrs-questions

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 19:43 (six years ago)

NEW: Wall Street donors are privately warning: We'll sit out, or back Trump, if you nominate Elizabeth Warren. “You’re a Democrat and you’re thinking, ‘I want to help the party, but she’s going to hurt me, so I’m going to help Trump,’” an executive said. https://t.co/PpgPVnXfY0

— Brian Schwartz (@schwartzbCNBC) September 26, 2019

mookieproof, Thursday, 26 September 2019 17:04 (six years ago)

counterpoint: FUCK EVERYONE CONNECTED TO WALL STREET

Sally Jessy (Karl Malone), Thursday, 26 September 2019 17:08 (six years ago)

given a choice between a candidate that might marginally succeed in putting stronger regulations on wall street vs a president that is Biff from back to the future 2, they go with biff

therefore fuck them all

Sally Jessy (Karl Malone), Thursday, 26 September 2019 17:10 (six years ago)

Bernie has proposed a higher wealth tax than EW

so fuck em extra hard

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 September 2019 17:11 (six years ago)

“You’re a Democrat and you’re thinking, ‘I want to help the party, but she’s going to hurt me, so I’m going to help Trump

Exactly what kind of a democrat is this and why on earth would they not be a republican?

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 26 September 2019 20:36 (six years ago)

because being a republican in nyc says you live on staten island.

Yerac, Thursday, 26 September 2019 20:41 (six years ago)

being a republican in nyc also might say that you are richer than god

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Thursday, 26 September 2019 20:53 (six years ago)

Or just that you're a flaming narcissist and being a Republican is one way to "peacock" when you're in NYC (just ask a trump-loving NYC'er I know who also rides a unicycle, plays the tuba in the street and regularly cosplays as fat Abraham Lincoln)

Dan I., Thursday, 26 September 2019 21:56 (six years ago)

Oh, good, it's time for this bullshit again. I haven't clicked, so I don't know who wrote it. Is Joe Lieberman still alive?

Opinion: Why Democrats should recruit a Republican vice president for their 2020 ticket (via @latimesopinion) https://t.co/JL3bL9UNyP

— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) September 25, 2019

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Thursday, 26 September 2019 22:01 (six years ago)

Lol

treeship., Thursday, 26 September 2019 22:01 (six years ago)

They should ask an impeached Trump as an olive branch

treeship., Thursday, 26 September 2019 22:02 (six years ago)

oh fucking hell it's Joel Stein. I used to see him during VH-1's 1975 features from the early '00s.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 September 2019 22:02 (six years ago)

Really? Joel Stein? Then there's a possibility that it's just an incredibly bad joke - that he's decided he can be Alexandra Petri, or something.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Thursday, 26 September 2019 22:05 (six years ago)

I read it yesterday, there are clues within that it's a joke.

nickn, Thursday, 26 September 2019 22:07 (six years ago)

This is more like it.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Thursday, 26 September 2019 22:09 (six years ago)

I trust Tim Faust on this subject.

if elizabeth warren can't answer basic questions about m4a, over and over and over again, it's reasonable to presume she's not really backing it

— kill 💀 tim 💀 faust (@crulge) September 26, 2019

Simon H., Thursday, 26 September 2019 22:29 (six years ago)

That WaPo page first blocked me from reading in private mode, so I opened in a new window. Then it blocked me until I switched off adblockers. Then it blocked me unless I allowed it to install twelve (12) different trackers in my browser, so I closed that window.

What does it say?

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Thursday, 26 September 2019 22:29 (six years ago)

I love that. xxp

DJI, Thursday, 26 September 2019 22:29 (six years ago)


By Alexandra Petri
Columnist
September 26 at 4:44 PM

You think you’re going to find support for impeachment, do you? You dare suggest that this presidency is embroiled in chaos? Well, I am at a truck stop right now to wait out an electrical storm, and nobody here agrees.

I’ve been interviewing for what I figure is at least an hour — the clock on the wall is broken — and everyone I speak to still supports the president just as much as they did the day he was elected. They are happy to say so, even if it means talking to folks like me on a daily basis.

The old man at the end of the counter shakes his head when I tell him the president is beleaguered by scandal. He’s not tied to his phone, like some of you coastal types. He’s not bound even to the latest fashion. I notice he’s wearing an old wide-brimmed hat and rimless spectacles, the kind I haven’t seen outside of movies. He says he’s still with the president, and that he doesn’t pay attention to the daily buzz of news. He has priorities like many real Americans have.

I want to go out to my car, but it’s raining too hard. Coffee here is only a nickel. I order another cup.

I try to say something about the impeachment, but no one can hear me over the noise of the soybeans, growing healthy and strong. I have never heard a soybean so loud before. Here, we have our priorities straight, straight as the corn growing just outside the window. I can’t see my car.

The TVs here aren’t tuned to CNN or MSNBC for the scandal of the day. No, sir. They’re playing what appears to be Rudy Giuliani chanting an uninterrupted mantra for the past six hours. When I look at my watch, the hands don’t seem to move, but when I look at it again after my next sip of coffee, it says hours have passed. How long have I been here?

Someone tries to mention the phone call to the president of Ukraine, and out of nowhere, pigs in all the neighboring fields begin to screech, horribly, an almost human sound, and they only stop when he gives up mentioning it.

The storm is still going.

You might think Donald Trump was mired in scandal, but here at this diner, we don’t agree. We like to see the media get riled up. The corn and soybeans don’t care about what the president has been doing on his phone calls to Ukraine. Whenever I try to ask, something rustles against the window, and it’s corn. I think it must be higher than an elephant’s eye now. The corn is pressed right up to the glass. I think the corn wants to get inside.

There’s a Norman Rockwell painting hung on the wall, and it says it doesn’t think the president has done anything bad. There’s a scarecrow in a pair of dungarees with a big pitchfork. He and his pitchfork both voted for Trump. They will vote for him in the next hundred elections. When I turn around from talking to them, I don’t see the windows anymore. Is it day or night? I thought there used to be windows. Has it always been so dark? Are we underground?

The waitress refills my coffee.

Do we even have foreign adversaries? I forget.

At this truck stop, no one has a reflection. It is 2016 here, I think. Joe Biden has done something wrong. Joe Biden has done something very wrong. Hillary Clinton had better not win. If she wins, the country will be broken for good.

I can’t see out the not-windows at all. I think we’re definitely underground now. The walls are packed earth and so is the clock and it still hasn’t moved and now there is something crawling in the wall.

The wall bursts! There’s an enormous worm here, and I pledge allegiance to it, willingly. I burn my notebook for King Worm! We are burning everything.

My arms are now guns. Everyone laughs. This is our joke together.

We don’t care about a single thing that President Trump has done since taking office. We are not ashamed to say so. We love the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. We love the stock market. There’s a crude drawing on the wall of a stock market going up and up, but it doesn’t have a scale indicated on it. I don’t remember coming here.

Real America Doesn’t Care About This Trumped-Up Scandal! Real America Doesn’t Care About Any Of This! Giuliani’s voice chants and chants and reaches a crescendo and the radio chants with it. We are here in the heart of America! The walls squeeze in and out, like the clenching of an enormous fist!

Something somewhere is screaming. Maybe it is the something that used to be me. I feel calmer than I ever have. The scandals don’t touch us here.

DJI, Thursday, 26 September 2019 22:30 (six years ago)

As close to Clickhole as the WaPo is ever going to get.

DJI, Thursday, 26 September 2019 22:31 (six years ago)

That is brilliant. She's great.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 26 September 2019 22:43 (six years ago)

yeah that's good, though could have been written any time in the last two years and just plugged in the references today (I endorse the Post running the same piece weekly with that day's references added btw)

who's that reporter who keeps filing or tweeting wildly fake accounts of things she overheard at a petrol pump three minutes ago, all real Americans calling to each other abt how the president has done nothing wrong, like they're waterbirds at a lake? wanna see what she's heard lately

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Thursday, 26 September 2019 22:50 (six years ago)

loooool she filed yesterday from a McDonalds drive-thru about how "cancel culture" isn't real....... YET!!!!!!

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Thursday, 26 September 2019 22:52 (six years ago)

for your wapo/wsj/etc needs:
https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-firefox
https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome

mookieproof, Thursday, 26 September 2019 23:10 (six years ago)

already have it, they still outfoxed me :(

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Thursday, 26 September 2019 23:12 (six years ago)

rude

mookieproof, Thursday, 26 September 2019 23:18 (six years ago)

It's so weird to me how social media is like sports: it attracts fans whose relentlessness repels me. "Weird" because I don't understand defending anyone or anything all day, vehemently. I grew up with people throwing bullshit stats about the Dolphins or whatever. They should've been shunned and ridiculed, yet they were the majority.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 September 2019 00:00 (six years ago)

I shouldn't say "weird." "Inevitable" is closer.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 September 2019 00:01 (six years ago)

politics is sports for the genetically damned

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 September 2019 00:06 (six years ago)

brb getting that tattooed on my deplorables

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 27 September 2019 01:36 (six years ago)

put outline.com before a URL (including http:) to bypass paywalls

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 27 September 2019 01:46 (six years ago)

sports are cool

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 September 2019 02:46 (six years ago)

for gays and women

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 September 2019 02:47 (six years ago)


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