PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

Booming NV post.

It's amazing/unsurprising how many of the people who say they don't understand how they might look patronising to the casual voter apparently also think that "A Referendum On The Final Deal" is too complicated a policy for the public to understand.

Yep, NV very much otm.

The position, in addition to not being complicated, respects that people did vote Leave. It’s not saying to those wavering working-class Leave voters, that are worried about what no deal means for them, “fuck you, you made your choice and we don’t want your vote”. It’s not saying “well 52% of you voted Leave but we don’t care about your votes and want to undo them ASAP”. It’s reflecting the reality - if another referendum is run, and Leave wins again (which it’s got a pretty good chance of doing!), then the country is leaving on a deal that does the least damage.

Did we discuss this exceptional self-own from Mike Gape's by the way?

screenshot just in case he deletes. this is.. this is beautiful. pic.twitter.com/GQcDkr67BB

— Jonathan Fisher (@fishplums) September 23, 2019

We did and he did delete! I see he’s joined Mainstream now and is going to stand at the next election.

we lolled last night, think i lolled without commenting.

THE FIGHT IS ON. GAPES VS. @GAPESOLOGY, POLITICAL SHOWDOWN OF THE CENTURY. pic.twitter.com/9FiwvW31HT

— Reel Politik podcast (@reel_politcast) September 17, 2019

what the hell is Mainstream? kinda hard to google

it's a party for... the mainstream (in no way affiliated to or the same as Change UK)

keir starmer did not look comfortable defending the private schools policy on NN last night - doesn’t bode well for the “corbynism but with a head boy as leader” set

More to the point if this exact same Brexit policy had come from, say, Yvette Cooper a lot of the same people who are currently criticising it would be queuing up to praise it as a masterpiece of canny political positioning.

Sadly they are not (I think?) this lot: https://www.mainstream.org.uk/

never trust a glassy brylcream boy with a title I say

oh i found them

a) didn't really think about googleability when they chose their name
b) their site seems to have time-travelled in from 2002

Who we're for:

We're for the political MAINSTREAM.
For FAMILIES. For people who want
Britain - and all of Europe - to be
more Family-friendly. Where the Human
Rights of victims are MORE IMPORTANT
than the Human 'Rights' of offenders.
Where our laws are MADE to work in
the way that PEOPLE want; not the
way the politicians and lawyers want.

Who we're NOT for:

Mainstream is NOT FOR SNOWFLAKES.
If you're a snowflake you must NOT
proceed further, your delicate
feelings might be offended.
We don't do Politically Correct

Why we're needed:

At every election, less and less of the
population are voting. Why?
Because they don't support ANY of the
established political parties.
Johnson, Corbyn and Swinson, with
nauseating arrogance, believe that their
'Three sizes fit all'. They can't
understand that things have changed.
The Establishment parties DON'T fit.
That's why Britain needs a NEW party,
with Policies for the PEOPLE - not
Policies for the Polticians.

no Andrew's right that must be a different Mainstream :D :D

so there's Mainstream, The New Mainstream, The Original Mainstream, Mainstream Mainstream, what?

Gapes grammar-police fail made me laugh like fuck, but awkwardly because I have butchered some possessive apostrophes in my time!

Looks like I missed out on last night's action. <3 LBI, deems & others.

Excellent post, NV, but I remain (heh) unswayed that the paraphrase I posted upthread ('We want to stay in the EU, so we'll organize a second referendum and officially back Remain, but if Leave wins again, we're going to carry out the will of the British people and negotiate the best possible withdrawal agreement') would result in more losses than gains for Labour. That would have been my preferred alternative, but it is too late now, the faithful have spoken. We'll see what happens next – just don't expect me to get my hopes up.

Anyway, moving on, a verdict awaits us at 10:30.

NV otm and also Conrad too (in a very good short post yesterday).

"Leaving the EU but remaining in the customs union is probably the only real alternative to the horrors of no deal."

Remain would likely win as I'd reckon a Lab deal would be seen as betrayal by leave voters.

i saw your paraphrase yesterday pom and i agree that it might be just as effective. i would prefer to see Labour take a more positive approach to Remain while adhering to the outline of the position they've got, but as to which approach would be more effective - well we're all speculating. it's the people who vehemently insist that their approach is the sure-fire vote winner that are wrong imo.

the EU is not the main factor for a significant majority of the electorate

disconnect w/ the media discourse on this point is v glaring, but a lot of ppl don't want it to be true so however many times it's stated it's ignored

it's awkward for the media because without brexit they have to start reporting on policies and that is where Labour have so many positives and put the Tories blatant short termist election bribes into sharp contrast

plus Brexit is just more fun for the media because it's so outwardly, viciously divisive

i'm sure we could have had some good fun with "abolish private education" tho

booming NV post earlier but when you put him in front of a bbc grilling he just doesnt have that passion for me clive

Great post but could he do it on a wet Thursday in Boston?

let's be honest the BBC don't want to see ill-kempt lunatics mumbling about nuance, they want

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z-a5hy7QO8

oh you heard them talking to some pliable numpts in a northern marginal this morning? Lol someone says he's not voting for Corbyn because he's a communist, not voting for boris because "I'm not rich enough" - he's voting for the brexit party. I think this was recorded outside a foodbank as well - the bbc back to their bullshit.

Re Mainstream:

About us
Mainstream is a new campaign – led by a group of people from different political backgrounds – designed to encourage a return to respectable and responsible politics, and to banish extremism from British politics once and for all.

Britain has long had a strong democracy where mainstream politics was the norm. Disagreement was always possible, but within the realms of respectful and responsible debate. It felt as if we shared the same mainstream patriotic outlook, even if we disagreed with each other on the best way to achieve a better society and a more prosperous economy.

Sadly, in many cases mainstream ideas have been replaced by views that are wildly out of step with the views of the general public. Extremism is rearing its way back into the public discourse in a way that would have been unfathomable just a few years ago.

Mainstream will promote respectable and responsible politics wherever we can, and oppose extremism – wherever it comes from. We encourage everyone who wants to support our country’s mainstream values in political and public life to join us.

"respectable and responsible politics"

how do you keep a straight face?

Framing of this post on their site is...odd
https://mainstreamuk.org/higher-standards/

mainstream patriotic

why is the p word never far away with these cunts?

The BBC are having a week in Stoke trying to get in touch with Ordinary People and their Stories, with some kind of ‘pod’ where the Ordinary People can talk about themselves. It is SO CRINGE, especially the presenter who claims to be from the area but is a customer service chatbot in human form.

Anyhow, over at Labour conference it seems the immigration/FoM resolution has disappeared off today’s agenda and people are rightly very fucked off.

Genuinely thrilled that someone’s big political idea in 2019 is linking up with Eric Pickles and going to bat for the idea that Republicanism is a dangerous step towards the abyss.

Would be very interested to see where the money is coming from for this.

also if they're fighting extremism wherever they find it why is every item on their news page about Labour? i mean for fuck's sake if you haven't even got the brains to put on a fig leaf

Anyhow, over at Labour conference it seems the immigration/FoM resolution has disappeared off today’s agenda and people are rightly very fucked off.

You've got to be kidding me.

to go back to ed's post -

If workers have the ability to sell their skills to the highest bidder (even if only some take up the opportunity) it raises pay and condition.

this freedom exists and has not raised pay and conditions

"Party supporters want Corbyn to go"

"Labour members want to sack the Queen, scrap Trident, and launch general strike – poll"

It's a good thing Corbyn is there as a cap on this needless mouth-watering extremism, hey?

xxp agree if this is the case, fucking disgraceful, don’t care if it’s union driven

'Supreme court has decided unanimously that prorogation is justiciable'.

I assume that's the first step?

not looking good for boris et al so far

Nice.

lol unlawful

Defend migrants rights
End No Recourse to Public funds
Abolish detention centres#Lab19 https://t.co/tOa6b24dC8

— Kate Osamor || Labour & Co-op MP for Edmonton (@KateOsamor) September 24, 2019

Get in!

Booooom

Ok I read “justiciable” and not having gone to fancy lawyer school thought “that’s that” and closed the app in a gloom (between this & conference bullshit upthread). But wow, what a mess! You truly do love to see it.

lol owned

so is boris just gonna prorogue again now?

Supreme Court smacks down government unanimously.

"quite exceptional circumstances" of leaving EU on 31 October.

Parliament "has a right to a voice on how that change comes about"

"No justification with taking action with such an extreme effect has been put before the court"

— Adam Wagner (@AdamWagner1) September 24, 2019

Supreme court rules Boris Johnson's prorogation was 'unlawful' :D

I'm a couple of minutes behind, this is like reading goal spoilers on a football thread!