2020 Democratic presidential primary

that is low-key one of the funniest moments of this process so far

shakey you know I love you but I am honestly surprised you found anything of value in that krystal ball column

lol who is going around asking democrats about john brown

whoever they are is performing a public service

some v high quality liberalism in that thread

John Brown was not a slave so his violence is questionable. I think a slave was justified using any means to get free.

— Sally (@legdugs) September 24, 2019

Ah yes the inestimable value of Twitter- exposing us all to the thoughts of people who have barely considered the topic at hand since they graduated high school

By “liberalism” do you mean the seeming majority of respondents taking issue with the dumbass comment? If so, I agree, that’s pretty liberal

yr right of course that it's a waste of time to pick out random 14-like tweets to complain about and tbh i wanted to take it back the moment i posted it

beyond that maybe we'll have to agree to disagree on whether "violence against the slave power is only okay for certain identity categories" is a random and inexplicable belief that has nothing to do with anything except the dumbness of its individual source, or if it's at all representative of a broader way of thinking about history and politics that sees ethics as a matter of individual moral hygiene and identity as a set of permissions flags; and probably also on what it would be called if it were

MSNBC reporting that a few more House Democrats this afternoon will join impeachment calls.

oops wrong thread lol but is it

To me it seems a textbook example of what people mean when they talk about 'white innocence'. The Buttigiegs of the world are fine with admitting that slavery was evil, but the logical followup to that, that the white slavers therefore were evil people, and that they therefore deserved punishment, they can't handle it.

One can support Palestinian aspirations to nationhood, while opposing suicide bombers and other terrorists. John Brown and his posse massacred whole families by broadsword.

That's not true, though.

cool

yes one can support almost anything. six causes before breakfast

not sure what the wise aspirational alternative to brown's vision of apocalyptic bloodbath was but i guess it's a shame we did the civil war instead

i will say i have no interest in anyone's "deserving punishment", don't think it's a thing tbh. just want slavery 2 perish from the earth and have a sinking feeling more than 5 people are gonna die in the process no matter how good we try to be

You can close your eyes and just imagine "I've got a plan for that" emblazoned on t-shirts for Al Gore or John Kerry or certainly Hillary Clinton. That fact alone should strike terror in your heart.

A reminder that some people still live in a terrifying world where there are white men that got more votes than Hilary Clinton.

there's a jaw-dropping old Warner Brothers movie where the Cavalry, led by Errol Flynn and Ronald Reagan (as Custer), hunt down John Brown.

Someone can have a just cause and not be a progressive.

you can d/l that movie at archive.org last I checked, it is indeed quite something

Better question: is Buttigieg for or against reparations?

'It was the South's turn to be outraged. Destroying property was one thing, but no one had been killed at Lawrence.'

ah, the profound difference between mere property crimes and undeserved deaths of human beings

Seems like we can't even get an effective program of affirmative action going in the USA, which is just a much weaker form of reparations. But, yes, it would be nice to have some political candidates for major office come out strongly in favor of reparations. Even a second or third tier candidate like Buttigeig.

i mean, mayor pete wasn't entirely wrong: john brown's tactics were brutal. the ppl he and his men killed in the pottawatomie massacre were not slave owners (tho they supported the pro-slavery faction in 1850s kansas, which was basically a kind of war zone). otoh i find it impossible not to see brown as a hero. his actions can't be fairly seen or judged outside of the context of an america in which slavery existed. mayor pete suggesting that oh maybe he went a little too far is entirely on brand for him, the kind of liberal who condemns violence in one breath while touting his service in the afghanistan war in the next.

Can you imagine the shitstorm if any democrat said ‘Brown is a hero, his actions were necessary’ ?

John Brown's body lies a molderin' in the grave
John Brown's body lies a molderin' in the grave
John Brown's body lies a molderin' in the grave
His soul's marching on!

Now that Buttigeig has offered his opinion on John Brown, I want his ranking of Kansas albums.

jd otm

Seems like this impeachment inquiry will be a net negative for Biden.

Seems like this impeachment inquiry will be a net negative for Biden.

― o. nate,

Ok, I'm all in now

sir there is clearly a brick wall in front of this vehicle https://t.co/K6lqVVpaU2

— 🤔𝐿𝑜𝐺𝑖𝐶💪öƀlíẗéṛáẗőr🌹【ｓｐｏｏｋｙ】➐ (@antifa_belonger) September 24, 2019

I really don't know if this will help or hurt Biden. It will pull his son's (probably ethically dubious) work in the Ukraine into the news. But do people care? I kind of don't care what Hunter Biden did. But I also wasn't going to vote for Biden in the primary unless everyone but Gabbard dropped out.

I suspect there are going to be a ton of total dipshit liberals who suddenly love Biden now that the "cheeto in chief" is attacking him directly. The same way a bunch of democratic voters somehow thought it was worthwhile to contribute to Andrew McCabe's GoFundMe campaign to pay for his retirement after Trump fired him from his role as Deputy Director of the FBI.

yep, there will be. i am doing my best not to think about all of those people, because it is incredibly depressing

I have a slightly brighter hope - that Biden becomes damaged goods just from association with this tawdry mess and recedes from view... while at the same time, Trump works himself up into a frenzy of rage over the inquiry and self-destructs in some yet-to-be-determined fashion.

feel like Biden will fade naturally enough on his own that it’s not worth wishing him ill.

I joked a while back that the point of his candidacy was to prove without a doubt that we don’t need a Joe Biden in 2019, but to the extent that his candidacy has provoked and flushed out more bad behavior he’s done good service.

imo, if everyone is absolutely confident that the full extent of the Hunter stuff is in the public domain, the risk is probably manageable and impeachment might end up giving him a boost.

What’d be keeping me up at night if I was his campaign manager is the extent to which the ‘Hunter was paid to do nothing’ narrative holds up under close scrutiny. If he was actively lobbying in Washington for Burisma using family connections as an ‘in’, for example, that would be more embarrassing.

Delicious to think about: Once Biden is out (presuming rogermexico is right), then all Trumpian machinations against Biden will have been for naught.

He can be all BIDEN BIDEN BIDEN HILLARY HILLARY HILLARY Kenya Benghazzzzemails #$^$#!#7slakjba…

And then Warren (one hopes) can be like, "You mean the person who's not running for office? Yawn. Next question."

you forget his deft insight into her racial makeup! by gum, that'll play to middle america!

Council on Foreign Relations has asked the candidates questions

https://www.cfr.org/election-2020/candidates-answer-cfrs-questions

NEW: Wall Street donors are privately warning: We'll sit out, or back Trump, if you nominate Elizabeth Warren. “You’re a Democrat and you’re thinking, ‘I want to help the party, but she’s going to hurt me, so I’m going to help Trump,’” an executive said. https://t.co/PpgPVnXfY0

— Brian Schwartz (@schwartzbCNBC) September 26, 2019

counterpoint: FUCK EVERYONE CONNECTED TO WALL STREET

given a choice between a candidate that might marginally succeed in putting stronger regulations on wall street vs a president that is Biff from back to the future 2, they go with biff

therefore fuck them all

Bernie has proposed a higher wealth tax than EW

so fuck em extra hard

“You’re a Democrat and you’re thinking, ‘I want to help the party, but she’s going to hurt me, so I’m going to help Trump

Exactly what kind of a democrat is this and why on earth would they not be a republican?

because being a republican in nyc says you live on staten island.

being a republican in nyc also might say that you are richer than god

Or just that you're a flaming narcissist and being a Republican is one way to "peacock" when you're in NYC (just ask a trump-loving NYC'er I know who also rides a unicycle, plays the tuba in the street and regularly cosplays as fat Abraham Lincoln)

Oh, good, it's time for this bullshit again. I haven't clicked, so I don't know who wrote it. Is Joe Lieberman still alive?

Opinion: Why Democrats should recruit a Republican vice president for their 2020 ticket (via @latimesopinion) https://t.co/JL3bL9UNyP

— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) September 25, 2019

Lol

They should ask an impeached Trump as an olive branch

oh fucking hell it's Joel Stein. I used to see him during VH-1's 1975 features from the early '00s.