2020 Democratic presidential primary

yes that is true so your response is fair

just... fuck

Another day, another Paleolithic Biden moment.

A young woman is asking him a serious, critical question.

He grabs her hands. Why?

As she persists, he pats them patronizingly and says “Thank you for admiring me so much.”

This is a man from another time. pic.twitter.com/SpZYAGFi9j

— Anand Giridharadas (@AnandWrites) September 23, 2019

shit

the lord wouldn't have given you them if he didn't want you to shake them.

I agree with most of the underlying analysis here, but the correct takeway is "nobody will ever know who the best candidate was so don't pay much attention to 'electability,'" https://t.co/P2rcPCAaws

— Scott Lemieux (@LemieuxLGM) September 24, 2019

Biden is from another time, but Jimmy Carter is almost two decades older and didn't pull this stuff.

ygelsias is right that the dems need to find someone who represents the ideological middle of their base but he’s wrong to assume it’s not warren

a man from another time is fine. a man from another time who has lived for decades in an insanely cosseted bubble & has no ability to listen to / learn from other people is a liability

^^ xxposts Morbs OTM

Yeah there is another male candidate of the same age in the primaries and he doesn’t pull that kind of stuff.

but like can you *even* *imagine* if he did?

poor bernie :'(

but like can you *even* *imagine* if he did?

― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Monday, September 23, 2019 9:14 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah! It wouldn’t be a big deal for his fans and would be a big deal for his detractors, as those things always go.

This thread is going to have 12000 posts before the Iowa caucus.

i suggest we all spend the time until then in the aerosmith rocks thread

a man from another time is fine. a man from another time who has lived for decades in an insanely cosseted bubble & has no ability to listen to / learn from other people is a liability

oh ffs looooool I hadn't watched the video when I posted that

Buttigieg is not comfortable calling John Brown a progressive, adding "he was kind of a brutal guy"

— Ben Jacobs (@Bencjacobs) September 23, 2019

lol who is going around asking democrats about john brown

Extreme History Buffs

He knows John Brown but not Alfred E. Newman.

Hmm.

that is low-key one of the funniest moments of this process so far

shakey you know I love you but I am honestly surprised you found anything of value in that krystal ball column

lol who is going around asking democrats about john brown

whoever they are is performing a public service

some v high quality liberalism in that thread

John Brown was not a slave so his violence is questionable. I think a slave was justified using any means to get free.

— Sally (@legdugs) September 24, 2019

Ah yes the inestimable value of Twitter- exposing us all to the thoughts of people who have barely considered the topic at hand since they graduated high school

By “liberalism” do you mean the seeming majority of respondents taking issue with the dumbass comment? If so, I agree, that’s pretty liberal

yr right of course that it's a waste of time to pick out random 14-like tweets to complain about and tbh i wanted to take it back the moment i posted it

beyond that maybe we'll have to agree to disagree on whether "violence against the slave power is only okay for certain identity categories" is a random and inexplicable belief that has nothing to do with anything except the dumbness of its individual source, or if it's at all representative of a broader way of thinking about history and politics that sees ethics as a matter of individual moral hygiene and identity as a set of permissions flags; and probably also on what it would be called if it were

MSNBC reporting that a few more House Democrats this afternoon will join impeachment calls.

oops wrong thread lol but is it

To me it seems a textbook example of what people mean when they talk about 'white innocence'. The Buttigiegs of the world are fine with admitting that slavery was evil, but the logical followup to that, that the white slavers therefore were evil people, and that they therefore deserved punishment, they can't handle it.

One can support Palestinian aspirations to nationhood, while opposing suicide bombers and other terrorists. John Brown and his posse massacred whole families by broadsword.

That's not true, though.

cool

yes one can support almost anything. six causes before breakfast

not sure what the wise aspirational alternative to brown's vision of apocalyptic bloodbath was but i guess it's a shame we did the civil war instead

i will say i have no interest in anyone's "deserving punishment", don't think it's a thing tbh. just want slavery 2 perish from the earth and have a sinking feeling more than 5 people are gonna die in the process no matter how good we try to be

You can close your eyes and just imagine "I've got a plan for that" emblazoned on t-shirts for Al Gore or John Kerry or certainly Hillary Clinton. That fact alone should strike terror in your heart.

A reminder that some people still live in a terrifying world where there are white men that got more votes than Hilary Clinton.

there's a jaw-dropping old Warner Brothers movie where the Cavalry, led by Errol Flynn and Ronald Reagan (as Custer), hunt down John Brown.

Someone can have a just cause and not be a progressive.

you can d/l that movie at archive.org last I checked, it is indeed quite something

Better question: is Buttigieg for or against reparations?

'It was the South's turn to be outraged. Destroying property was one thing, but no one had been killed at Lawrence.'

ah, the profound difference between mere property crimes and undeserved deaths of human beings

Seems like we can't even get an effective program of affirmative action going in the USA, which is just a much weaker form of reparations. But, yes, it would be nice to have some political candidates for major office come out strongly in favor of reparations. Even a second or third tier candidate like Buttigeig.

i mean, mayor pete wasn't entirely wrong: john brown's tactics were brutal. the ppl he and his men killed in the pottawatomie massacre were not slave owners (tho they supported the pro-slavery faction in 1850s kansas, which was basically a kind of war zone). otoh i find it impossible not to see brown as a hero. his actions can't be fairly seen or judged outside of the context of an america in which slavery existed. mayor pete suggesting that oh maybe he went a little too far is entirely on brand for him, the kind of liberal who condemns violence in one breath while touting his service in the afghanistan war in the next.

Can you imagine the shitstorm if any democrat said ‘Brown is a hero, his actions were necessary’ ?

John Brown's body lies a molderin' in the grave
John Brown's body lies a molderin' in the grave
John Brown's body lies a molderin' in the grave
His soul's marching on!

Now that Buttigeig has offered his opinion on John Brown, I want his ranking of Kansas albums.

jd otm

Seems like this impeachment inquiry will be a net negative for Biden.

Seems like this impeachment inquiry will be a net negative for Biden.

― o. nate,

Ok, I'm all in now

sir there is clearly a brick wall in front of this vehicle https://t.co/K6lqVVpaU2

— 🤔𝐿𝑜𝐺𝑖𝐶💪öƀlíẗéṛáẗőr🌹【ｓｐｏｏｋｙ】➐ (@antifa_belonger) September 24, 2019

I really don't know if this will help or hurt Biden. It will pull his son's (probably ethically dubious) work in the Ukraine into the news. But do people care? I kind of don't care what Hunter Biden did. But I also wasn't going to vote for Biden in the primary unless everyone but Gabbard dropped out.

I suspect there are going to be a ton of total dipshit liberals who suddenly love Biden now that the "cheeto in chief" is attacking him directly. The same way a bunch of democratic voters somehow thought it was worthwhile to contribute to Andrew McCabe's GoFundMe campaign to pay for his retirement after Trump fired him from his role as Deputy Director of the FBI.