2020 Democratic presidential primary

so we'll be in this thread until Iowa eh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNHjg72difM

trump is less popular ever and the two most promising democratic candidates aren’t milquetoast status quo liberals and we’re still gonna lose?

guess we’ll just all die then lol

actually, you will find his approval rating is the same as Clinton and Obama at this point in their presidencies!

(I know this is a dumb fucking point that doesn't account for the fact that they were both much higher than Trump ever was and that Trump's support is basically always a solid 38-44$% but still I hear it repeated all the time)

tbh I could see almost any nominee beating trump

but Biden doing it would be a hollow victory at best

I mean it still shocks the conscience that he has anywhere near that kind of support

Trump too.

I kinda liked that in the article on Angelica Ross that included negative comments from fans of both Sanders and Trump, it was pretty clear those two groups aren't the same at all.

I dont like biden but i would still feel the joy of relief if he beat trump—it wouldn’t be hollow to me

If sanders or warren one i’d be happy for the rest of my life, probably

To learn that the Dems won control of the Senate too, then learning on Dec. 29, 2020 that Chuck Schumer died peacefully in his sleep, would be more satisfaction than a new Prince album.

hopefully a biden administration would go back to defending civil rights in court and maybe reinstitute some environmental regulations, which despite joe's numerous flaws would still make him preferable to any republican, not just trump.

but that is a low bar.

the two most promising democratic candidates aren’t milquetoast status quo liberals and we’re still gonna lose?

hmmm, the last nominee was kind of a strident militarist... she won the popular vote tho!

did i say anything about the last nominee

but also true

is Krystal Ball bad? I've thought she's been pretty good whenever I've seen her

I can’t believe people don’t know who she is. The candidate with the dildo pics, duh.

Buttigieg talking electability in Dubuque: "They’re going to rant about socialism no matter what, but I cut my teeth in the private sector… if they want to debate national security, I can’t wait, because I’ve seen worse incoming than a misspelled tweet."

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) September 23, 2019

good god why does anyone like this teacher's pet

The other teacher's pets like him.

Brad, you implied that the typical Dem candidate was a status quo milquetoast lib.

yes that is true so your response is fair

just... fuck

Another day, another Paleolithic Biden moment.

A young woman is asking him a serious, critical question.

He grabs her hands. Why?

As she persists, he pats them patronizingly and says “Thank you for admiring me so much.”

This is a man from another time. pic.twitter.com/SpZYAGFi9j

— Anand Giridharadas (@AnandWrites) September 23, 2019

shit

the lord wouldn't have given you them if he didn't want you to shake them.

I agree with most of the underlying analysis here, but the correct takeway is "nobody will ever know who the best candidate was so don't pay much attention to 'electability,'" https://t.co/P2rcPCAaws

— Scott Lemieux (@LemieuxLGM) September 24, 2019

Biden is from another time, but Jimmy Carter is almost two decades older and didn't pull this stuff.

ygelsias is right that the dems need to find someone who represents the ideological middle of their base but he’s wrong to assume it’s not warren

a man from another time is fine. a man from another time who has lived for decades in an insanely cosseted bubble & has no ability to listen to / learn from other people is a liability

^^ xxposts Morbs OTM

Yeah there is another male candidate of the same age in the primaries and he doesn’t pull that kind of stuff.

but like can you *even* *imagine* if he did?

poor bernie :'(

but like can you *even* *imagine* if he did?

― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Monday, September 23, 2019 9:14 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah! It wouldn’t be a big deal for his fans and would be a big deal for his detractors, as those things always go.

This thread is going to have 12000 posts before the Iowa caucus.

i suggest we all spend the time until then in the aerosmith rocks thread

a man from another time is fine. a man from another time who has lived for decades in an insanely cosseted bubble & has no ability to listen to / learn from other people is a liability

oh ffs looooool I hadn't watched the video when I posted that

Buttigieg is not comfortable calling John Brown a progressive, adding "he was kind of a brutal guy"

— Ben Jacobs (@Bencjacobs) September 23, 2019

lol who is going around asking democrats about john brown

Extreme History Buffs

He knows John Brown but not Alfred E. Newman.

Hmm.

that is low-key one of the funniest moments of this process so far

shakey you know I love you but I am honestly surprised you found anything of value in that krystal ball column

lol who is going around asking democrats about john brown

whoever they are is performing a public service

some v high quality liberalism in that thread

John Brown was not a slave so his violence is questionable. I think a slave was justified using any means to get free.

— Sally (@legdugs) September 24, 2019

Ah yes the inestimable value of Twitter- exposing us all to the thoughts of people who have barely considered the topic at hand since they graduated high school

By “liberalism” do you mean the seeming majority of respondents taking issue with the dumbass comment? If so, I agree, that’s pretty liberal

yr right of course that it's a waste of time to pick out random 14-like tweets to complain about and tbh i wanted to take it back the moment i posted it

beyond that maybe we'll have to agree to disagree on whether "violence against the slave power is only okay for certain identity categories" is a random and inexplicable belief that has nothing to do with anything except the dumbness of its individual source, or if it's at all representative of a broader way of thinking about history and politics that sees ethics as a matter of individual moral hygiene and identity as a set of permissions flags; and probably also on what it would be called if it were

MSNBC reporting that a few more House Democrats this afternoon will join impeachment calls.

oops wrong thread lol but is it

To me it seems a textbook example of what people mean when they talk about 'white innocence'. The Buttigiegs of the world are fine with admitting that slavery was evil, but the logical followup to that, that the white slavers therefore were evil people, and that they therefore deserved punishment, they can't handle it.