2020 Democratic presidential primary

Just consider the number of non-ironic takes on the incredible brilliance of Warren's selfie line.

this sentence gave me pause. has ilx weighed in on Warren's selfie lines? i don't think she'll be able to keep doing them (even now they sometimes run til 3-4am), but i non-ironically think they're a good idea. if acclaimed political analyst Krystal Ball doesn't understand why they're a good idea, i doubt she gets anything else.

But what really terrifies me is that Warren is likely to lose to Trump.

i like how Krystal Ball ignores head-to-head polling showing Warren beating Trump (just like pretty much all the major democratic candidates) even as she makes the premise of her entire article an Iowa poll showing Warren in the lead. why is the Iowa poll she cites a good poll that is justification for saying that Warren is going to win the nomination, while the numerous polls that show that people prefer her to trump are not worth mentioning?

And then there's Pocahontas. Is it a culturally acceptable nickname? No it definitely is not. Is it brutally effective? Yes it is.

Because what it really signals as my friend Saagar has pointed out is that Warren is fake. That she says she's the beer drinking Oklahoma girl when all of the cultural signaling is Harvard professor.

...

"To put it quite simply, Warren is a wine track candidate. As much as she wants to run as the down home Oklahoma girl, she hasn't been that betsy for a long time."

I can barely parse these sentences.

beer drinking gatekeepers, pulse of america.

do people actually talk like this? do people say "you haven't been that betsy since high school"? no, they don't.

lmao "Pocahontas" is not "brutally effective"

and to the people that are swayed by it, the reason isn't that it subliminally references her supposed fakery. people that are swayed by it are giant fucking racists who love hearing their favorite dumbshit president say racist things.

It's no accident that the first to fully fall for Warren were the post-grad types. The folks who have successfully ascended the meritocracy and jumped through all the collegiate hoops.

They fundamentally believe in the system because it's worked for them. They want to help working and lower class Americans, sure, but they don't actually trust them. "I've got a plan for that" is like a magical elixir to this group.

warren is not the candidate who "fundamentally believes in the system" though. that would be joe biden and pete buttigieg.

you're just saying that because you went to college

krystal ball's wiki is pretty thin but she does have a scam PAC in her credentials. And she was a UVa transfer.

what did I just read

yeah "Krystal" "Ball" is kind of all over the map there.

i think the "total war" between sanders and warren supporters on social media is a very unfortunate development, especially because it seems rooted in unhinged misrepresentations on both sides

that it's on Twitter means we exaggerate its vitriol

it's pretty vitriolic. sanders supporters are saying warren is another warmongering centrist and warren partisans are saying that bernie "bros" are a pack of frothing-at-the-mouth racist transphobes, barely better than trump supporters

so there is going to be bad blood when one of them ends up being the nominee. hopefully it's contained to the twitter commentariat and doesn't impact turnout.

and friend of the messageboard krystal ball isn't helping with this column, sorry to say

here’s some vitriol: they’re both good

that's basically my take. if I had to choose I'd prefer Warren a hair over Bernie but I'll gladly take either one

The quotes from Bernie bros making the rounds in Jezebel and whatnot are pretty fuckin weak evidence of abuse tbh (though I'm sure it happens)

so we'll be in this thread until Iowa eh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNHjg72difM

trump is less popular ever and the two most promising democratic candidates aren’t milquetoast status quo liberals and we’re still gonna lose?

guess we’ll just all die then lol

actually, you will find his approval rating is the same as Clinton and Obama at this point in their presidencies!

(I know this is a dumb fucking point that doesn't account for the fact that they were both much higher than Trump ever was and that Trump's support is basically always a solid 38-44$% but still I hear it repeated all the time)

tbh I could see almost any nominee beating trump

but Biden doing it would be a hollow victory at best

I mean it still shocks the conscience that he has anywhere near that kind of support

Trump too.

I kinda liked that in the article on Angelica Ross that included negative comments from fans of both Sanders and Trump, it was pretty clear those two groups aren't the same at all.

I dont like biden but i would still feel the joy of relief if he beat trump—it wouldn’t be hollow to me

If sanders or warren one i’d be happy for the rest of my life, probably

To learn that the Dems won control of the Senate too, then learning on Dec. 29, 2020 that Chuck Schumer died peacefully in his sleep, would be more satisfaction than a new Prince album.

hopefully a biden administration would go back to defending civil rights in court and maybe reinstitute some environmental regulations, which despite joe's numerous flaws would still make him preferable to any republican, not just trump.

but that is a low bar.

the two most promising democratic candidates aren’t milquetoast status quo liberals and we’re still gonna lose?

hmmm, the last nominee was kind of a strident militarist... she won the popular vote tho!

did i say anything about the last nominee

but also true

is Krystal Ball bad? I've thought she's been pretty good whenever I've seen her

I can’t believe people don’t know who she is. The candidate with the dildo pics, duh.

Buttigieg talking electability in Dubuque: "They’re going to rant about socialism no matter what, but I cut my teeth in the private sector… if they want to debate national security, I can’t wait, because I’ve seen worse incoming than a misspelled tweet."

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) September 23, 2019

good god why does anyone like this teacher's pet

The other teacher's pets like him.

Brad, you implied that the typical Dem candidate was a status quo milquetoast lib.

yes that is true so your response is fair

just... fuck

Another day, another Paleolithic Biden moment.

A young woman is asking him a serious, critical question.

He grabs her hands. Why?

As she persists, he pats them patronizingly and says “Thank you for admiring me so much.”

This is a man from another time. pic.twitter.com/SpZYAGFi9j

— Anand Giridharadas (@AnandWrites) September 23, 2019

shit

the lord wouldn't have given you them if he didn't want you to shake them.

I agree with most of the underlying analysis here, but the correct takeway is "nobody will ever know who the best candidate was so don't pay much attention to 'electability,'" https://t.co/P2rcPCAaws

— Scott Lemieux (@LemieuxLGM) September 24, 2019

Biden is from another time, but Jimmy Carter is almost two decades older and didn't pull this stuff.

ygelsias is right that the dems need to find someone who represents the ideological middle of their base but he’s wrong to assume it’s not warren

a man from another time is fine. a man from another time who has lived for decades in an insanely cosseted bubble & has no ability to listen to / learn from other people is a liability

^^ xxposts Morbs OTM

Yeah there is another male candidate of the same age in the primaries and he doesn’t pull that kind of stuff.