not "i fret" but "i forget" lol
― mark s, Monday, 23 September 2019 14:24 (four years ago) link
i fret a little
― Fox Pithole Britain (Noodle Vague), Monday, 23 September 2019 14:25 (four years ago) link
i mean me too but abt other stuff mostly
― mark s, Monday, 23 September 2019 14:27 (four years ago) link
butts
― stoffle (||||||||), Monday, 23 September 2019 14:28 (four years ago) link
who among us does not fret about butts
― Is it true the star Beetle Juice is going to explode in 2012 (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 September 2019 14:30 (four years ago) link
Make sure that you can say "I helped lay the foundations of a new society". #Lab19 pic.twitter.com/OQwZ15PHqQ— John McDonnell MP (@johnmcdonnellMP) September 23, 2019
― gyac, Monday, 23 September 2019 14:33 (four years ago) link
đđđ
― Is it true the star Beetle Juice is going to explode in 2012 (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 September 2019 14:34 (four years ago) link
reread the manifesto section on Brexit, on Labour's website, earlier and don't know if we covered it before but it states 'where immigration has put a strain on public services' which as a statement, even as conditional as it may be in this case (being too generous probably), just should never have been nor continue to be used
― nashwan, Monday, 23 September 2019 15:53 (four years ago) link
For areas where immigration has placed a strain on public services we will reinstate the Migrant Impact Fund and boost it with a contributory element from the investments required for High Net Worth Individual Visas.
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― conrad, Monday, 23 September 2019 16:06 (four years ago) link
_For areas where immigration has placed a strain on public services we will reinstate the Migrant Impact Fund and boost it with a contributory element from the investments required for High Net Worth Individual Visas._?
― lefal junglist platton (wtev), Monday, 23 September 2019 16:10 (four years ago) link
grampasimpsonwalksindoor.gif
― all over bar the shouting (im here for the shouting) (darraghmac), Monday, 23 September 2019 16:26 (four years ago) link
Probably the most singularly appropriate dn youâve ever had
― gyac, Monday, 23 September 2019 16:33 (four years ago) link
Looks like the NEC statement went through.
― pomenitul, Monday, 23 September 2019 16:42 (four years ago) link
This is not the end of the fight - not even at this conference.Tomorrow, #Lab19 will get to vote on the @labfreemvmt motion on freedom of movement and migrants' rights.We are urging all our supporters at conference to now help campaign for this important motion đ pic.twitter.com/ngu7tljIdh— Another Europe (@Another_Europe) September 23, 2019
― gyac, Monday, 23 September 2019 17:07 (four years ago) link
some great bedwetting on ch4 news from labour conference
― stoffle (||||||||), Monday, 23 September 2019 18:05 (four years ago) link
On PM they seemed sure the vote was going the other way so the editorial line was : this vote is seen as a confidence in the leadership test by many. I think it totally ruined the rest of the show for Evan Davies.
― calzino, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:15 (four years ago) link
I heard David Lammy on the radio today, saying something along the lines of: "The Tories have/are leave, the LibDems have/are remain, what is/does Labour have? No hard brexit but maybe a better WA or perhaps a second referendum? That's no message. That doesn't wash."
Lammy otm. It's astonishing (for an ~outsider~) to see how Labour make themselves seem inadequate, even in the worst of times. BJ is PM ffs, Labour should be able to walk this, poll over +50 and take charge. But they can't close the ranks, and do not have a clear answer to the Brexit crisis. It's so frustrating. I think this was what Pom was getting at with Labour(istas) "not being remain enough".
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:21 (four years ago) link
Pretty much, but I'm selfish and ignorant and a total dickhead and misrepresenting other's positions for pointing it out, so what do I know?
― pomenitul, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:23 (four years ago) link
what position would let labour poll at +50?
― stoffle (||||||||), Monday, 23 September 2019 18:27 (four years ago) link
Because youâre having a go at people who probably agree with you on 95% of stuff?
― gyac, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:27 (four years ago) link
We do agree on 95% of stuff, yes. But was I really having a go at anyone itt by expressing my dissatisfaction with Corbyn's handling of Brexit? I'm incidentally and unsurprisingly disappointed with the result of today's vote btw.
― pomenitul, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:29 (four years ago) link
How Remain should they be? Lib Dem Remain?
― Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Monday, 23 September 2019 18:30 (four years ago) link
harder
― stoffle (||||||||), Monday, 23 September 2019 18:30 (four years ago) link
In the world of actually trying to get money for things like equal educational opportunities (for example) for people who don't have a pot to piss in, it's completely normal to say, yes, immigration has had an impact on resources. It's how you get, or try to get, MORE resources. I know this from direct experience of a large migration of Somali people into Leicester in the early 2000s when The Netherlands got pretty unpleasant (Pim Fortuyn, ffs, it's like nothing ever changes) . There's a good report by the Open Society (Go Soros!) on this if anyone cares to read it.
― Ned Trifle X, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:31 (four years ago) link
No, composite 13 Remain.
2xp
― pomenitul, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:31 (four years ago) link
xp could have fooled quite a few of us.
― gyac, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:31 (four years ago) link
That 5% seems to get you pretty worked up.
― Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Monday, 23 September 2019 18:32 (four years ago) link
â gyac, Monday, September 23, 2019 8:27 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Eh?
xp
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:33 (four years ago) link
https://tenor.com/14zU.gif
― YouGov to see it (wins), Monday, 23 September 2019 18:33 (four years ago) link
â Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Monday, September 23, 2019 8:30 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Yes. Of course they should. Labour has let LibDem walk away with the remain vote, and they're stuck in the middle now.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:34 (four years ago) link
Understandably so?
― pomenitul, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:34 (four years ago) link
Not really, as has been pointed out numerous times, you're in the same position as quite a few people you're railing against itt.
― Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Monday, 23 September 2019 18:36 (four years ago) link
I don't know who's talking to who where anymore (which is prob my fault)
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:36 (four years ago) link
That doesn't make any sense.
― pomenitul, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:37 (four years ago) link
FPTP still exists, and as Starmer just said (paraphrasing), âitâs going to be Remain anywayâ. People can vote Lib Dems and get hard Brexit or just waste their votes.
― gyac, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:37 (four years ago) link
We'll see come the election - their current policy is stupid.
― Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Monday, 23 September 2019 18:37 (four years ago) link
Short thread on Labour, Brexit and neutrality.Labour's position, as I understand it, is:1) May's deal (currently the only one agreed with the EU) is bad and Labour could negotiate a better one that includes CU, etc.— Adam Standring (@AdamPolitics) September 23, 2019
― gyac, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:39 (four years ago) link
thread needs a matt DC post saying "FFS WHY ARE YOU ALL STILL ARGUING ABOUT THIS GIVE YOUR COLLECTIVE HEADS A WOBBLE"
― stoffle (||||||||), Monday, 23 September 2019 18:40 (four years ago) link
Otm, where are you allcaps Matt?
― gyac, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:40 (four years ago) link
good threadxp
― stoffle (||||||||), Monday, 23 September 2019 18:41 (four years ago) link
@AdamPolitics otm, but needing a twitter user going by the name of "@AdamPolitics" to explain to us all what Labour's position is, is a huge part of the problem imo.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:44 (four years ago) link
"Labour should be able to walk this, poll over +50"
I'll some of what you are drinking tonight!
― calzino, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:45 (four years ago) link
*have some of your strong brew obv!
― calzino, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:46 (four years ago) link
If Labour had claimed remain from the getgo, letting crazy clown BoJo ride the PM-ship for a while should have Labour well over the 50 percent imo.
(drinking rose tbf)
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:48 (four years ago) link
"huge part of the problem imo"
i mean this is true, but almost all of of it is down to the absolutely fucking terrible political reporting we've allowed to develop in this stupid country
― mark s, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:49 (four years ago) link
I...understand it? They need a credible Leave option for a 2nd ref, so in the (very) likely scenario the country votes leave again, itâs not a total fucking car crash. Theyâre not putting no deal or the May deal as the option, they are indicating they will negotiate something different. (This almost certainly includes a sea border cos theyâre not going to be reliant on DUP votes).The whole point is that it sits in the context of where the country is now. Labour coming out full Remain now means Boris and the Tories, who have been trying to paint Labour as âantidemocraticâ and âignoring the referendumâ for years get their legitimisation for that attack line. Means they fancy their chances nicking a swathe of Lab/Con marginals in Leave areas off them. The labour policy, though, is to negotiate a new deal in 3 months and have a referendum. Resolve the thing quickly. If I were them Iâd be leaning heavily on that aspect.
― gyac, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:50 (four years ago) link
xp WOW GEE WHIZ WHAT IS THIS CRAZY POSITION NOONE CAN UNDERSTAND, says the broadcaster paid hundreds of thousands a year to explain complicated topics to the public.
― gyac, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:51 (four years ago) link
I mean if nothing else itâs been patiently explained 1000 times in this thread alone so not sure why anyone here would still need an AdamPolitics
― YouGov to see it (wins), Monday, 23 September 2019 18:54 (four years ago) link
the lab/con marginals in shitholes like doncaster are the tories best chance of winning a majority seeing as they are dead in scotland. Labour going full unequivocally Remain would be a gift to them and their nasty one issue party pals.
― calzino, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:54 (four years ago) link
gyac v otm
― Is it true the star Beetle Juice is going to explode in 2012 (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 September 2019 18:55 (four years ago) link