PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

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Depends...article mentions only Irish nationals being able to vote here out of all EU nationals but pretty sure Cyprus &Maltese nationals can too. Voting rights tend to be reciprocal, I don’t think they’re that widely spread in Europe for parliamentary level elections.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote

gyac, Sunday, 22 September 2019 20:37 (six years ago)

Oh ok

Cyprus and Malta are already Members of the Commonwealth, so full voting rights have always been extended to their citizens living in the UK.

gyac, Sunday, 22 September 2019 20:40 (six years ago)

"Labour call to 'redistribute' private schools' assets"

Do you need scare quotes around 'redistribute' here?

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Sunday, 22 September 2019 20:53 (six years ago)

(From the BBC headline)

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Sunday, 22 September 2019 20:55 (six years ago)

the speed at which British private school discourse goes zero-to-eugenics is a sight to behold pic.twitter.com/wX0vb1H2Fs

— Dr Charlotte Lydia Riley (@lottelydia) September 22, 2019

calzino, Sunday, 22 September 2019 20:56 (six years ago)

Wait, so that means I could technically vote in a British GE as a Canadian?

xps

pomenitul, Sunday, 22 September 2019 20:57 (six years ago)

aiui all(?) Commonwealth citizens have the right to vote here if they live here, but most require a visa to live/work here (easier for e.g. Canadians, harder for many) so the intersection of "can vote" and "can just move here without asking" is Malta and Cyprus, plus the special treatment for Ireland.

britain's secret sauce (seandalai), Sunday, 22 September 2019 21:00 (six years ago)

@pom: yes https://www.gov.uk/elections-in-the-uk

britain's secret sauce (seandalai), Sunday, 22 September 2019 21:01 (six years ago)

xxp get in there https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote

gyac, Sunday, 22 September 2019 21:03 (six years ago)

Thanks.

I entered the UK as a EU citizen, but I doubt it matters in this regard.

pomenitul, Sunday, 22 September 2019 21:04 (six years ago)

om wokkin ate thi dower uh free mon

provisional ilx (darraghmac), Sunday, 22 September 2019 21:09 (six years ago)

you also don't need to be a british citizen to be PM...

ogmor, Sunday, 22 September 2019 21:39 (six years ago)

Whilst @GdnPolitics and @BBCPolitics tell the public Labour are having a civil war over brexit or Tom Watson or anything else, this is what's actually happening. John McDonnell is on a stage with @novaramedia deciding what industries to nationalise with a big wheel. pic.twitter.com/jHue78aDBW

— Mat Flusk 🌹 (@MatFlusk) September 22, 2019

gyac, Sunday, 22 September 2019 21:51 (six years ago)

politicians (even lots of nominally left ones) are mostly just a lot of slimeball trash, but I feel genuinely privileged to be living in the age of McD!

calzino, Sunday, 22 September 2019 21:57 (six years ago)

There’s video
https://youtu.be/IETjveIxnN8 1h 58, don’t think it’s been clipped yet

gyac, Sunday, 22 September 2019 21:59 (six years ago)

Wait, so that means I could technically vote in a British GE as a Canadian?

We've had a Canadian Prime Minister before, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonar_Law

Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Sunday, 22 September 2019 22:16 (six years ago)

Holy fuck:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/22/thomas-cook-in-last-ditch-talks-to-avoid-collapse

Thomas Cook was heading into insolvency on Sunday night as the world’s oldest holiday company faced a collapse that will strand 150,000 UK holidaymakers overseas and put 9,000 British jobs at risk.

The government and the aviation regulator have triggered the UK’s largest ever peacetime repatriation – codenamed Operation Matterhorn – to bring holidaymakers home.

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 22 September 2019 23:33 (six years ago)

The foreign secretary, Dominic Raab, said on Sunday that the government had contingency plans in place for passengers and sought to reassure holidaymakers that they would not end up stuck overseas. The company had appealed to ministers for a bailout but Raab said the government did not “systemically step in” unless it was in the national interest.

“We would wait to see and hope that [Thomas Cook] can continue but in any event, as you would expect, we’ve got the contingency planning in place to make sure that in any worst-case scenario we can support all those who might otherwise be stranded,” Raab told the BBC.

lol they're all going to die

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 22 September 2019 23:36 (six years ago)

apparently Matterhorn will cost more than underwriting Thomas Cook for the £200m they need.

What a ridiculous clusterfuck of totally uncool jokers (jed_), Sunday, 22 September 2019 23:50 (six years ago)

maybe underwriting is the wrong word.

What a ridiculous clusterfuck of totally uncool jokers (jed_), Sunday, 22 September 2019 23:50 (six years ago)

The USA steadfastly refuses to let any corporation die, no matter how corrupt or incompetent. I am not sure this is a better approach.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 23 September 2019 02:56 (six years ago)

Anyone have any idea how the "ensure universities admit the same proportion of private school students as in the wider population" bit could possibly work?


you can do grades as a percentage of each school’s entrants. so top 10% of each school gets an A etc.

it’s not obvious to me how you avoid just preferential treatment *because* someone went to private school.

Fizzles, Monday, 23 September 2019 06:51 (six years ago)

You could do quotas with financial penalties tied to not hitting them, too.

ShariVari, Monday, 23 September 2019 07:12 (six years ago)

tbf abolishing private schools is a good first step to improving the education system, not an end goal

Fox Pithole Britain (Noodle Vague), Monday, 23 September 2019 07:18 (six years ago)

you can do grades as a percentage of each school’s entrants. so top 10% of each school gets an A etc.

Leading to middle-class parents moving into the catchment areas of terrible schools? Ha!

fetter, Monday, 23 September 2019 07:20 (six years ago)

They already live in those places, particularly in Central London (some of my well-off local friends have/had kids at Bedales, City of London Boys, Westminster, St Pauls).

coup de twat (suzy), Monday, 23 September 2019 07:26 (six years ago)

I was hoping it was something we could implement for ilx

ogmor, Monday, 23 September 2019 07:48 (six years ago)

xp state schools in London are much better than the national average (there's a "London effect" on school quality apparently to do with the type of teachers who work in London), so if you live in e.g. Hackney or Tower Hamlets you are likely post-abolition to be able to send your children to a school that is good by any measure, even if it's not Westminster

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Monday, 23 September 2019 07:58 (six years ago)

apparently the London effect is more down to the make-up of the children being schooled: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/29/real-reason-why-london-schools-do-better-than-the-rest-of-the-country

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Monday, 23 September 2019 08:00 (six years ago)

Most of the people I know who send their kids private are sending them to board because of how much time they spend away on business (arguably the fees cost as much as having the live-in childcare to cover absences).

coup de twat (suzy), Monday, 23 September 2019 08:04 (six years ago)

the state holding-pens will take care of that when we are in Crumbyn's Red Dictatorship

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Monday, 23 September 2019 08:07 (six years ago)

Feel like in the shakeout this policy will end up being tax on private school fees, which is what everyone saying this is outrageous is posing as more reasonable alternative, and what they were all shitting themselves about last time.

gyac, Monday, 23 September 2019 08:34 (six years ago)

Yeah, I think abolishing private schools is probably unworkable, but ending the VAT exemption now looks reasonable. Yesterday I saw someone point out that an Eton education was not subject to VAT, but tampons were.

coup de twat (suzy), Monday, 23 September 2019 08:38 (six years ago)

and eton has charity status as well iirc.

koogs, Monday, 23 September 2019 08:40 (six years ago)

Yep! That’s why they don’t pay VAT.

coup de twat (suzy), Monday, 23 September 2019 08:45 (six years ago)

unison are opposing the NEC to back remain !

ogmor, Monday, 23 September 2019 09:34 (six years ago)

on today programme this morning mcD was asked exasperatedly when Labour will finally unequivocally back Remain, which i just found extraordinary. how many times must mcD and crobaryn explain that they aspire to bring Leavers and Remainers together? that they're not content to just represent 52% of the electorate, or 48%, or whatever it is? it's wild how difficult this appears to be to grasp

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 23 September 2019 09:50 (six years ago)

feels like 2010-15 again where every interviewer would ask about nothing except the deficit #noonetellsuswhattothink

stoffle (||||||||), Monday, 23 September 2019 09:54 (six years ago)

To be fair, on the repeated question thing. He may have answered the question many times, and the interviewer may have asked many times, but should assume the viewer is seeing it for first time, and always answer questions accordingly.

Its the viewer that matters, not the interviewer

anvil, Monday, 23 September 2019 09:54 (six years ago)

ED MILIBAND DIDNT EVEN MENTION THE DEFICIT IN HIS CONFERENCE SPEECH

stoffle (||||||||), Monday, 23 September 2019 09:54 (six years ago)

Somehow, centrism is good not bad when it comes to Brexit.

pomenitul, Monday, 23 September 2019 09:55 (six years ago)

or alternatively the best route towards remain or the least worst WA doesn't lie thru painting your face blue and shouting "THEY WILL NEVER TAKE OUR EUDOM" at the top of your lungs

Fox Pithole Britain (Noodle Vague), Monday, 23 September 2019 09:58 (six years ago)

Note how free movement isn't even one of the 'five pillars' of Corbyn's alternate deal with the EU. Truly my enthusiasm for this potentially better option knows no bounds.

pomenitul, Monday, 23 September 2019 10:02 (six years ago)

see the private school defenders have logged on, with their callipers out already

stoffle (||||||||), Monday, 23 September 2019 10:07 (six years ago)

Nah, I’m state educated at the US equivalent to a well-resourced comprehensive in a leafy but all-walks-of-life suburb. We sent as many graduates to top universities as the local private schools. In my childhood the only people going private in my relatively egalitarian suburb were a) at fee-paying Catholic schools or b) behavioural cases whose parents felt private = strict.

I haven’t looked at Twitter yet but I’m imagining a lot of privately educated RW commentators and gammons dogpiling Diane Abbott for taking her kid private.

coup de twat (suzy), Monday, 23 September 2019 10:27 (six years ago)

Most Remainers would have happily taken the current Labour position even a year ago, it's just a wedge issue for the anti-Corbyn factions now, as well as point of distinction in what is already looking like an extended leadership hustings.

It doesn't make any difference what Corbyn thinks about Brexit as long as follows a genuinely democratic path on the issue. It might actually be better for him to sit any referendum campaign out but there'll be a circus around him either way.

Matt DC, Monday, 23 September 2019 10:30 (six years ago)

What the party leader thinks makes a difference by default.

pomenitul, Monday, 23 September 2019 10:34 (six years ago)

In the event of a referendum how does it make a differ-- oh who gives a shit life's too short.

Matt DC, Monday, 23 September 2019 10:42 (six years ago)

Influence? You're right, though, who gives a shit.

pomenitul, Monday, 23 September 2019 10:44 (six years ago)

It's your country, after all, not mine. As has been repeatedly made clear.

pomenitul, Monday, 23 September 2019 10:44 (six years ago)


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