2020 Democratic presidential primary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyw3GIayapk

she's shown no indication that she still harbors any affection for the GOP

aside from that standing O for the Grifter.

Look I don't wanna fight. It seems pretty clear to me, as this commenter on HamiltonNolan's column the other day put it:

Warren still believes in the national myth of virtuous capitalism — that what we have today in the modern US is a perversion of capitalist relations rather than their essential nature on full display. It’s no surprise, then, that her appeal is strongest amongst liberal professional/managerial classes, nonprofits, and better-off (and older) whites; people who want to tinker with the system rather than overhaul it. The difference between Warren and Sanders is the difference between thinking that with some tweaks the basic setup we’ve been running is still workable, and that it needs to be fundamentally restructured. There are arguments to be made for both approaches, but I don’t think it does anyone any good to pretend there’s no daylight between them.

So, if you think late capitalism just needs a few principled tweaks, vote for Warren.

If you think it needs to be overhauled (or in my specific case, are hugely underemployed with a chronic illness that is driving you into poverty via Obamacare), vote for Sanders.

Also, uh, foreign policy is a thing

*Tombot-style handwaving: "superpowers gonna superpower"*

Bernie Sanders would not end the forever war any more than any of the rest of them would

But even those observations are wrong. What Warren's proposing aren't tweaks -- they would re-conceive business' relation to capital. What's Sanders doing that's different?

in my lifetime it might not be the worse thing if there were to be a mass scale general strike.

personally I think it would be pretty rad if a popularly elected president supported such an event.

We're having this discussion b/c these two have so much in common.

the Sanders voter's belief that Congress will magically send Sanders bills that match his politics is so wild

they won't

executive orders are irritating when you're on the wrong side of them but are essentially position papers with force that expires as soon as you leave office

I don't know any Sanders supporters who believe that.

..until we AOCize Congress. (second term maybe)

Gus Hall is looking down on you, JCLC

I’m not sure I’ve ever been accused of handwaving before. What an interesting feeling to start the weekend with.

i do what i can

Gus Hall trusted Morris Childs for how many years? in the imaginary universe where he gets elected, he appoints a cabinet made up entirely of rats & spies and never even knows what hits him

Alfred otm

I would like to see the other candidates borrow from Sanders on foreign policy. I think the thing is, voters in primaries care even less about FP than voters in the GE. FP stances in the GE are almost always reduced to “Republican big strong! Democrat want cut defense budget!” anyway. It’s bullshit, obviously - it’s basically the only job the President is given to do exclusively - but the media’s total inability to cover it, and the electorate’s complete disinterest in learning anything about it, explains why campaigns hardly bother with it.

Gus Hall is looking down on you, JCLC

I cannot easily find any data about Gus Hall's height but I'm going to make my "tbf he was very tall" joke anyway

I've yet to hear a convincing reason Warren would get anything more done than Sanders other than "she's got a plan for that" which, iirc God has thoughts on plans

That said my ideal would be to see them team up somehow. It is notable that they haven't attacked each other at all (yet)

Winning the Senate is all, people.

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Jesus: "don't pull up at 6am to cuddle with me"

Having FDR in the Oval Office won't mean shit when McConnell can stall judge and SCOTUS nominations and kill legislation.

We HAD the senate and the house for two years and still couldn't get a public option let alone single payer. I think this goes a long way into explaining skepticism about vague and technocratic language in M4all proposals during primary season.

IF actual change is possible Bernie's Focus on grassroots and labor organizing is the way to pursue it imo.

She strikes me as savvier at negotiating the current political situation, but I'll admit some of that's speculative. Ultimately, I'm less interested in making the case that she would definitely get more done than him than in simply questioning the assumption that he would get more done than her.

that was then, this will be now

xxp

'there is nothing in the small blip that is socialism history to suggest these theories would be more effective to combat imperialism, climate change and poverty.'

will breaking up the big banks end racism? a sobering thought.

just once more i want to see that petrified look in the eyes of those Wall Street motherfuckers i saw during Occupy

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ri4j9und39w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri4j9und39w

I feel like the Sandersphere is gaslighting us into thinking Warren is Hilary 2020.

again, 8/10 of each respective base is fine with the other's candidate

wow that cramer video!

we all know Warren has beliefs, hence is no Hillary

That said my ideal would be to see them team up somehow. It is notable that they haven't attacked each other at all (yet)

just once more i want to see that petrified look in the eyes of those Wall Street motherfuckers i saw during Occupy

I mean it’s also the progressive version of owning the libs

I mean it’s also the progressive version of owning the libs

I thought voting for Jill Stein was the progressive version of owning the libs.

that’s self-owning the libs

you two should form your own (con)Fusion Party

actually it's this progressive's short-term goal cuz short term is all I got

You must not have the same Sanders campaign proxies in your feed that I do.

srsly roger who you working for, Strawman Inc?

I mean it’s also the progressive version of owning the libs

― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, September 20, 2019 5:45 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

once again i ask: what exactly is it you guys think you do here all day?

I confirm my biases

what exactly is it you guys think you do here all day?

Amuse myself.

https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67914920_10157500563376613_1441563995755511808_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_eui2=AeHhFKm6ocWaeKdNlbtM6eh4d7QjJaXTVtpSrAgvpvD7EI5RlrBgTh9-8GlWgWtRrWCBzSjSaibib71sjXrnfdqrsiH8KFCm45sFDeYcyfJ-Sg&_nc_oc=AQmSLZUxJYqby4WGgdjdK_D6oplxChOwP33Q_AfICmA88fK1Otf6uyviCONRVjOt7M2SxwHfG6O3s0iaVTe5emB8&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-2.xx&oh=510428edcc038b693a659201e35aae7e&oe=5DF03A62

lol

/srsly roger who you working for, Strawman Inc?

I've yet to hear a convincing reason Warren would get anything more done than Sanders other than "she's got a plan for that"

― Simon H., Friday, September 20, 2019 12:54 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

She'll get rid of the filibuster, Bernie won't

Warren's DNA thing was a stupid unforced error. She's a "capitalist to her bones."

actually the test came back only 3% capitalist

― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, September 20, 2019 3:30 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

hehehe