2020 Democratic presidential primary

She's such a Republican that both parties hated her for working on bankruptcy reform during the Dubya years.

xxxp Which was...23 years ago.

Warren's DNA thing was a stupid unforced error. She's a "capitalist to her bones." Enough for me.

Yeah the republicans were great back then

lol I'm sure the New Right harbored this much suspicion about Reagan the former Democrat in 1980.

Warren (again, whom I support), has more of a tendency to be vague about certain big ticket items (M4A). I think a lot of folks equate that with the kind of slipperiness we’ve seen in otherwise “good” candidates in the past. With Bernie there’s an authenticity factor that clearly resonates with people. Whether or not he can actually deliver any better will be the big question.

Biden getting into a disagreement with a voter over his healthcare plan. She says his plan is protecting insurance companies’ profits. He questions whether she would pay higher taxes for it. She says yes. He responds: “You got the right candidate in Bernie.”

— Tyler Pager (@tylerpager) September 20, 2019

lmao

Warren's DNA thing was a stupid unforced error. She's a "capitalist to her bones."

actually the test came back only 3% capitalist

It's September 2019. We'll see a heap of stupid unforced errors from everyone through Election Day.

Luke 15:7 says there's more joy in heaven over one repentant sinner than over 99 people who didn't need to repent. Smart dude, Luke.

Yeah the republicans were great back then

― dsb, Friday, September 20, 2019 2:29 PM (two seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

Clearly, they were not. I'm just saying it's not like it was yesterday. Since she's been in public office, she's shown no indication that she still harbors any affection for the GOP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyw3GIayapk

she's shown no indication that she still harbors any affection for the GOP

aside from that standing O for the Grifter.

Look I don't wanna fight. It seems pretty clear to me, as this commenter on HamiltonNolan's column the other day put it:

Warren still believes in the national myth of virtuous capitalism — that what we have today in the modern US is a perversion of capitalist relations rather than their essential nature on full display. It’s no surprise, then, that her appeal is strongest amongst liberal professional/managerial classes, nonprofits, and better-off (and older) whites; people who want to tinker with the system rather than overhaul it. The difference between Warren and Sanders is the difference between thinking that with some tweaks the basic setup we’ve been running is still workable, and that it needs to be fundamentally restructured. There are arguments to be made for both approaches, but I don’t think it does anyone any good to pretend there’s no daylight between them.

So, if you think late capitalism just needs a few principled tweaks, vote for Warren.

If you think it needs to be overhauled (or in my specific case, are hugely underemployed with a chronic illness that is driving you into poverty via Obamacare), vote for Sanders.

Also, uh, foreign policy is a thing

*Tombot-style handwaving: "superpowers gonna superpower"*

Bernie Sanders would not end the forever war any more than any of the rest of them would

But even those observations are wrong. What Warren's proposing aren't tweaks -- they would re-conceive business' relation to capital. What's Sanders doing that's different?

in my lifetime it might not be the worse thing if there were to be a mass scale general strike.

personally I think it would be pretty rad if a popularly elected president supported such an event.

We're having this discussion b/c these two have so much in common.

the Sanders voter's belief that Congress will magically send Sanders bills that match his politics is so wild

they won't

executive orders are irritating when you're on the wrong side of them but are essentially position papers with force that expires as soon as you leave office

I don't know any Sanders supporters who believe that.

..until we AOCize Congress. (second term maybe)

Gus Hall is looking down on you, JCLC

I’m not sure I’ve ever been accused of handwaving before. What an interesting feeling to start the weekend with.

i do what i can

Gus Hall trusted Morris Childs for how many years? in the imaginary universe where he gets elected, he appoints a cabinet made up entirely of rats & spies and never even knows what hits him

Alfred otm

I would like to see the other candidates borrow from Sanders on foreign policy. I think the thing is, voters in primaries care even less about FP than voters in the GE. FP stances in the GE are almost always reduced to “Republican big strong! Democrat want cut defense budget!” anyway. It’s bullshit, obviously - it’s basically the only job the President is given to do exclusively - but the media’s total inability to cover it, and the electorate’s complete disinterest in learning anything about it, explains why campaigns hardly bother with it.

Gus Hall is looking down on you, JCLC

I cannot easily find any data about Gus Hall's height but I'm going to make my "tbf he was very tall" joke anyway

I've yet to hear a convincing reason Warren would get anything more done than Sanders other than "she's got a plan for that" which, iirc God has thoughts on plans

That said my ideal would be to see them team up somehow. It is notable that they haven't attacked each other at all (yet)

Winning the Senate is all, people.

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Jesus: "don't pull up at 6am to cuddle with me"

Having FDR in the Oval Office won't mean shit when McConnell can stall judge and SCOTUS nominations and kill legislation.

We HAD the senate and the house for two years and still couldn't get a public option let alone single payer. I think this goes a long way into explaining skepticism about vague and technocratic language in M4all proposals during primary season.

IF actual change is possible Bernie's Focus on grassroots and labor organizing is the way to pursue it imo.

She strikes me as savvier at negotiating the current political situation, but I'll admit some of that's speculative. Ultimately, I'm less interested in making the case that she would definitely get more done than him than in simply questioning the assumption that he would get more done than her.

that was then, this will be now

xxp

'there is nothing in the small blip that is socialism history to suggest these theories would be more effective to combat imperialism, climate change and poverty.'

will breaking up the big banks end racism? a sobering thought.

just once more i want to see that petrified look in the eyes of those Wall Street motherfuckers i saw during Occupy

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ri4j9und39w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri4j9und39w

I feel like the Sandersphere is gaslighting us into thinking Warren is Hilary 2020.

again, 8/10 of each respective base is fine with the other's candidate

wow that cramer video!

we all know Warren has beliefs, hence is no Hillary

That said my ideal would be to see them team up somehow. It is notable that they haven't attacked each other at all (yet)

just once more i want to see that petrified look in the eyes of those Wall Street motherfuckers i saw during Occupy

I mean it’s also the progressive version of owning the libs

I mean it’s also the progressive version of owning the libs

I thought voting for Jill Stein was the progressive version of owning the libs.