2020 Democratic presidential primary

yeah Biden's policy positions are "let's return to the status quo of 4 years ago" which, frankly, is not good enough for anybody (I would hope)

I don't believe in preempting candidates based on what The Voters will allegedly find enticing (ie Family Feud)

john kerry's sort of infamous "We believe we have compromised significantly, and we're prepared to compromise further" line just popped into my head for some reason

i enjoy handing veto power over my political aspirations to the bigots i imagine surround me.

Kerry's candidacy might be the most embarrassing and inept Dem presidential candidacy I've ever witnessed

Really? Dukakis was far worse in my lifetime. At least Kerry almost won. And he ran a solid campaign as an unspectacular candidate but exemplary senator who thought he had bigger war-sized balls than Bush.

but his swift boat

Embarrassing in the sense that the Dems were still committed to the war at that point. it was fucking disgusting. Dukakis was a clumsy candidate, but I don't think he debased himself or the party as thoroughly as Kerry did.

Dukakis had a double digit lead heading out of the convention; for a while Poppy looked like he was gonna lose. Then of course Lee Atwater got dirty. But Dukakis started gaining ground again -- too late -- when he finally admitted he was a liberal. That election was repulsive.

and in addition to the moral bankruptcy of implicitly accepting the war as valid/worth winning, there was the idiotic and doomed-to-failure strategy of "I can fight it better cuz I am a Vietnam War hero! That was against the Vietnam War" which was an incomprehensibly garbled and weak message. The Dems whole argument was "well sure this war is bad but we can win it because we're smarter and tougher and know it's bad"! The rah-rah militarism of the convention made me want to vomit.

xp

sounds like a poll!

as Gore Vidal once said, an awful lot of nadir to go around.

A lot of Nader too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0BtqtTVNHg

Gillebrand?

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ah fuck oh well

― slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:11 PM (two years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Indeed.

Biden's perceived strength is also his big weakness: he has no program, no agenda, no ideas, no vision

I think Biden's perceived strength is that he's the most popular Democrat among black voters and that that popularity will translate into general elections strength. Maybe that perception, especially the second part, is wrong -- HRC was the most popular Democrat among black voters, too. But that's what makes people think he's a strong candidate, not that he has no agenda.

lol xp

A new poll shows Elizabeth Warren and Joe Biden leading after the last debate.

And Warren has more support from other candidates’ voters.https://t.co/R2xXcfOcVW

— BuzzFeed News (@BuzzFeedNews) September 18, 2019

the primary should be a single nationwide ranked-choice election.

I mean so should the presidency but I'm trying to think realistically

xps - So you think all the nattering on about Biden's "electability" by white pundits galore is based on their thinking "Gee, this guy can bring the black vote along" and not "this white bread guy can bring back some of the midwest's old white male Reagan democrats"?

the funny thing is it's both at the same time! That's what makes him the "center" dontcha see

So you think all the nattering on about Biden's "electability" by white pundits galore is based on their thinking "Gee, this guy can bring the black vote along"

All of it? No. A lot of it? Yes. The part of it that makes the most sense? Yes.

But like I said I'm not sure it makes enough sense to be correct.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EE2OYSAWkAEn8-s?format=png&name=small

this is kind of what I pictured when they announced 538 would be running year-round

oy vey

Late breaking scoop: dozens of black progressive leaders have signed onto a draft letter condemning Bernie supporters for “violent and racist” online attacks, “white terror” after WFP’s Warren endorsementhttps://t.co/jHQs46UET8

— Katherine Krueger (@kath_krueger) September 19, 2019

what's the %age mix between "racist Sanders supporters" and "roboitc agents provocateurs"

like presumably it's some of both

do they measure the age of the robots from the first time their programs are started or in terms of development cycles, version numbers and such

Damn, the Bernie-oriented sector of Left Internet has gone absolutely fucking insane over the last few days. Like, attributing it to Russians or whatever would be doing them a favor because it’s ugly

DeBlasio is out.

Was he ever in?

AdieuBlasio

has anyone here been to a warren rally?

no one knows who's on the internet

but def stir up the BernieBro demon, make the DNC safe for Compassionate Capitalism

Trigger Warning: Socialist Intolerance

the elites' full-court effort to 'disappear' Bernie needs more attention

^Sydney Ember giving this "attention" in real time on the regular

I can totally understand the annoyance at seeing the media portray Harris as the acceptable "far-left" candidate, but it's like Bernie's supporters are taking the bait

"Harris" ugh, I mean Warren, duh

I mean, his base skews young, and therefore more extremely online, and thus more prone to getting mad online. I don't think it's deeper than that.

Berniebros don't care if they're inside or outside the tent, there's gonna be some pissin

the effort I see going into proving that Warren isn't as left as Bernie are kind of unnecessary. She didn't say, "I'm socialist to the bone" as far as I remember.

A few people I've spoken with insist that there's no substantial difference between them.

I do kind of wonder what these young folks are going to do when we revert back to having democratic primary contents with zero candidates the left 100% approves of.

run for office

what really is the difference between them? like how does a Warren presidency look different from a Bernie presidency.

xpost maybe they can turn around the WFP

it's cute that you think the left 100% approves of anyone xps

Bernie Presidency would be like Carter's
Warren Presidency would be like Obama's

I do kind of wonder what these young folks are going to do when we revert back to having democratic primary contents with zero candidates the left 100% approves of.

― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, September 20, 2019 11:06 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

have to think that AOC will throw her hat in the ring at some point, right?