PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

times i think i shouldve left yerwan there too tbh

sorry to hear about everyone's Luxembourg-related romantic woes

I was going to go there once but in the end I liked Trier enough to stay there an extra night instead, sounds like I dodged... something

And that song is making me nostalgic, LBI (emphasis on the algia). I was in Brussels earlier this year and absolutely saw myself living there, if it were a realistic option.

― pomenitul, Monday, September 16, 2019 11:44 PM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yes! Bruxelles is dark and murky and shady but so, so great. We've too little time to live where we want to live. We've too little time full stop.

only time I went there was to visit a friend who was a notorious shagger and his latest girlfriend. Latest update is that they have been happily married with kids for five years now.

Brussels is a bit scary, didn't stay long enough to work out if in a good way or a bad way.

from that Guardian editorial

Politicians ought to think about their policy’s consequences. If the Lib Dems’ idea is accepted, then why couldn’t the SNP be permitted to hold a second independence vote if it won the next Holyrood election?

isn't a very apt analogy. "why couldn’t the SNP be permitted... to pass a Unilateral Declaration of Independance" is closer.

xp first bit re: Luxembourg

apropos of some of the stuff on here today, and I'm not officially a communist because when I tried to join them they took a quid admin charge off me on paypal and never emailed me back and I though fuck 'em because I can't be arsed with meetings or people.

there is some good material in keith lowe's savage continent book about how much the people of greece (specifically the communists who had resisted the nazi occupation) suffered after ww2 under a US/GB backed genocidal fascist regime, bet their citizens driven to destitution and suicide by EU imposed austerity were very grateful this end was a marked improvement on getting marched into remote caves and murdered by fascists.

Didn’t Churchill send in British troops against those same communists?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/30/athens-1944-britains-dirty-secret

The German tanks had been replaced by British ones, the SS and Gestapo officers by British soldiers

same as it ever was!

wow, didn't know about any of that, depressing

v interesting article though, thanks calzino

also, to lower the tone, ilx, I hardly recognise you and your not even mentioning Brian Molko as a famous person from Luxembourg

Brian Molko of Placebo? Born in Brussels, raised all over the place iirc.

every me and every EU

Hmm, born in Brussels and went to school in Luxembourg from 11-18 but French Wikipedia says he actually lived just over the border in Belgium at the time, so I guess Belgium wins this round

I've spent too long researching this now, someone post about something more interesting

the guardian claimed that david cameron couldnt really have grieved the death of his son like a guardian reader would have

that was probably noteworthy

Didn’t Churchill send in British troops against those same communists

Xenakis lost half his face thanks to a British tank.

character building stuff!

Lol fucking state of this

For those wanting to singalong at home...enjoyed the line about it all giving the press office more work to do! pic.twitter.com/yV1YTTHWHz

— Patrick Daly (@bypatrickdaly) September 16, 2019

I came in too late alas but gotta be in character and say that comrade alphabet and pom's discussion on the EU's powers and intervention once again boiling down to Greece, when it was actually about political pressures being put on Spain, Italy and Portugal as well, is deeply frustrating (at least gyac got Ireland in).

Fair point.

Also this

every me and every EU

should've been

EU don't care about us

extremely good how we have basically had no government for two years. what direction is the country even heading

straight to hell baby

Daniel - Greece had its elected government fucked over by the EU and it was the biggest example. Yes I know it was all linked with much of southern Europe.

It's not as if Pom or Fred cared (lol did you know that a bank bailout was the difference here, and that's why Orban is cool -- make sure your debts are paid but refugees might as well be pennies) and Darragh was like it's all good in Ireland now why go over the past.

ah fuck’s sake it’s not even 9 yet can we n o t

I, for one, am in no mood for a rehash.

comrade gyac-a-mole otm

i reject your projection of bovine victimhood upon nations throughout several cycles of entirely democratically elected national governments tbh

Also not sure this

just wanna say that ireland isnt perfect but its still good yknow, even if only showing LBI fatima mansions and the nortsoide probably wont have him agreeing

xp 9am bell guys get in or get out the way

Also not sure this

just wanna say that ireland isnt perfect but its still good yknow, even if only showing LBI fatima mansions and the nortsoide probably wont have him agreeing

Was meant as an endorsement of post-troika Ireland in quite the way it’s been interpreted.
― gyac, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 08:00 (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah!

now it was a soft refutation of plax' somewhat dystopian fintanish description but obv not to say everything is wonderful

can still get good early birds in most of the better restaurants in town tho

Xp quiet man turning up the volume

xp you know one of the bad things about living here is the no existence of early birds, that and the overall lower quality of a sliced pan

I am up for a rehash because I was busy being happy yesterday evening but now I'm in work. But I will try to be good.

But I will just single out:

Obviously recent evidence that the IMF had started to crack on this but stimulous approaches are not loved in the way the "sensible spending" approaches that have left say Ireland in the state it is in: a tax haven, with incredible wealth hoarding, a high cost of living and a massive housing crisis, no socialised healthcare system, cuts to the minimum wage but one of the lowest corporate tax rates in europe untouched. etc etc.

Because how dare you, these are fundamental Irish values and the suggestion that we'd be lagging behind on them without the help of Brussels is beyond the pale.

I mean obviously "the EU is like this because of the nations in it" vs "the nations are like this because of the EU" is difficult to call, particularly since Ireland has been in the EU (and benefited greatly from it) for nearly half its life.

(similarly "there's been now war because of the EU" vs the other way around, though we may be seeing the counterfactual some time soon)

More otms for pomenutil on how reform would look differently with an actively engaged Labour government than the "will this do, can I get back home now?" shite they got from Cameron. The EU gets a kicking for not being better than its best state (or the best imaginable version of any of its states). I think it's fair to say that it's better than its average state - but in order for that to feel like a benefit, you have to feel European, which (gestures around the UK).

but obv not to say everything is wonderful

Wasn't interpreted that way either tbh

tbh that's only a gesture to those who dont work as hard as me, i dont want to be insensitive

everything *is* wonderful

because if the thread consistently has to operate at the level dictated by the nonsense attacks of those with the highest commitment to posting cant then the only value to be extracted is in playing those roles for amusement nest pass

Argh seriously stfu everyone.

Dedicated EU thread or get tae france.

to hell or to cpmté

Can you really not find another thread to have this tediously circular argument on? None of us are wacky blue-facepaint types here, we don't need to be told the EU isn't a perfect institution and people don't need to keep bringing up Orban and Greece as if they're especially relevant to Brexit or domestic politics.

None of us are wacky blue-facepaint types here

Speak for yourself, I copiously genuflect before the EU flag whilst humming the turquerie bars of Beethoven's 9th every morning.

"I tried to raise a serious concern in writing with the leader, the deputy leader, the chief whip — no response. Then I tried to raise an official complaint — that was referred back to the chief whip. Then I tried to come here and they still haven't organised the meeting they promised."

Finnecy dismissed Swinson's defence that the Lib Dem leadership had done all it could to make sure new MPs shared the party's values.

"They're lying about doing due diligence, they didn't consult properly with the LGBT+ community and they failed to address this head-on, so now they're just trying to sideline the issue," she said.

Catherine Finnecy, the libdem councillor who heckled Swinson at the conference not happy about the vetting process and letting tory bigots into the party. They are using May's script from 2017 as well "Magic Money Tree" and "difficult decisions" keeps cropping up.

I have an EU fridge magnet and I demand more myth-busting and sceptcism, two of the proudest European traditions

This is very much "posting tweets itt is not endorsement", but from a friend of friends, someone who comes to mind occasionally as he and his wife are both "have been food-rationing poor" and "absolutely committed Lib Dems"

I have never known a party leader make so many previously-supportive members feel so betrayed so quickly as Swinson has, and I'm someone who voted for Tim Farron.

— Andrew Hickey Finally Dropped his Halloween Name (@HickeyWriter) September 16, 2019

This is very much "posting tweets itt is not endorsement", but from a friend of friends, someone who comes to mind occasionally as he and his wife are both "have been food-rationing poor" and "absolutely committed Lib Dems"

I have never known a party leader make so many previously-supportive members feel so betrayed so quickly as Swinson has, and I'm someone who voted for Tim Farron.

— Andrew Hickey Finally Dropped his Halloween Name (@HickeyWriter) September 16, 2019

Swinson seems almost entirely tactical with no strategic sense whatsoever. Either that or she's deluded enough to believe she could actually become PM.

i suspect it’s both

Scotland ftw

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/17/eu-citizens-feel-safer-in-scotland-than-in-england-report-says