PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

Wouldn't go that far tbh.

xp

eu imagines itself as a post-wwii never again institution

You avert the ultimate catastrophe and now what? People and whole countries are still being trampled upon. Its not much of a victory.

Yeah, whatever is wrong with xyzzzz, gyac, et al, I don't think it can be blamed on ilx.

― Frederik B, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 14:52 (three weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink

Great contribution, manages to be ignorant (and ableist?)

― gyac, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 14:59 (three weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink

Js, a chara...

fs I do some work for the afternoon and get relegated to an et al by fredo b

just wanna say that ireland isnt perfect but its still good yknow, even if only showing LBI fatima mansions and the nortsoide probably wont have him agreeing

― provisional ilx (darraghmac), Monday, September 16, 2019 7:14 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Au contraire! Even if I didn't know/remember Fatima Mansions was where you lived at the time, you took me on a grand and welcoming tour in sparse time. And I'd love to see where you now reside (which, hopefully, isn't Ballybough, because my one shot to fame in Ireland with this published piece pretty much makes it a no-go area for me, reading the comments, which are probably harsh but fair)

xps to deems and ico - sorry yr prayers on behalf of didn’t work, clearly my nana had a hotline to the big fella

xxxxxxxxxxcxcxccccxxp to ico I have spoken about the Irish in that context previously but I’m excluding us as we’re foreign & just making some points about minority British people. Not to excuse it in any way shape or form, but at least I am actually foreign? Someone from here’s who’s not white gets a question mark over their Britishness from the fash, I was never British in the first place.

musha you dont pray expecting it to work. chrisht.

I think American lurkers itt are great and should post more, but I’m really sorry they know about mark froncois and mike Gapes and baggymp

i have literally never prayed for anyone and i resent the insinuation

The only positive about Tom's scenario will be the reaction of FBPE Twitter when the LibDems go back into coalition in exchange for a Soft Brexit.

― Matt DC, Sunday, 15 September 2019 15:17 (yesterday) link

If it fell this way, this reaction could be more muted than might be expected

Hot take: a funeral isn't for the deceased

ah ok yah I understand the distinction yr making

I think wrt the EU and Ireland, their unwavering support (although I think we all suspect they’ll fuck us over somehow?) so far has been a good shout, because they can position it as the EU standing up for a small country, which it is, even if we all know they’re only really interested in protecting the single market when it comes down to it...

Speaking as someone from a family of undertakers: this is in no way a hot take.

― gyac, Monday, September 16, 2019 7:38 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Hot takes never really are, I know. But glad you're on my page. (our newspaper has a printery that works with undertakers daily, I could fill pages every week with their experiences, both hilarious and sad)

I’m just giving up xps cos by the time I post the threads moved on again, but I’m talking about whose nana’s prayers were most successful, but prayers of my own (lol), tyvm

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49715705

this auld shite is on the front page of the bbc with johnson saying that they want to "get out" so they can "get on" with a future relationship, and that the eu would prefer this. The "analysis" doesn't even touch on this claptrap but why is it so hard to understand that the things that have hamstrung leave negotiations will be the first things on the agenda come negotiations over the future relationship?

Hey LBI, did deems clue you in to how your first name is pronounced in Ireland?

I don't think that my grandmother ever prayed for anything except for the death of successful card-playing opponents

eu imagines itself as a post-wwii never again institution

You avert the ultimate catastrophe and now what? People and whole countries are still being trampled upon. Its not much of a victory.

― xyzzzz__, Monday, September 16, 2019 7:30 PM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

"not much of a victory" --- this is a good instance of why people call out your posts. Maybe it's just typical Brexiteer exaggeration? There is quite some distance between being held to repay ECB debt and Nazi occupation, and to indicate otherwise blemishes whatever point you are trying to make.

jird lbi i call him

(That’s a really nice piece btw LBI, but I raised my own eyebrows at this):

“We’re champions of fucking Ireland!,” he yells out, ecstatic. The f-word, echoing around the stadium, raises some eyebrows, but all is soon forgiven.

gotta say I inhaled sharply at that 'not much of a victory' post but it was certainly trolling, whatever that is

idk, the eu didn't actually win the war u kno. that was russia.

xps "trampled on" is doing a lot of heavy work in that post.

xxp the EU has often been criticised for Bosnia.

the claim that the eu has specifically prevented european wars sits a little bit uneasily with the fact that no two liberal democracies have ever waged war on each other surely

yes eye know, it's the prevention of another episode that's relevant

but its recipe for peace (make markets sovereign) has become the basis of increasing volatility and dissent. Its claim that the austerity visited on countries post-2008 was backed by an enobling project of european stability looks increasingly shaky given the role those policies have had in undermining european unity.

Sorry I'm late, I'm off the wagon again, but plax's post about the econimcally regressive nature of the EU boomed so loud it rattled the windows o er the road from here

Posts, soz. This is the real fucking talk that can't be reiterated enough.

"not much of a victory" --- this is a good instance of why people call out your posts. Maybe it's just typical Brexiteer exaggeration? There is quite some distance between being held to repay ECB debt and Nazi occupation, and to indicate otherwise blemishes whatever point you are trying to make.

― L'assie (Euler), Monday, 16 September 2019 bookmarkflaglink

You are not beyond this level when you saw my call to do something in regards to Orban with a crack about tanks in Czechoslovakia so don't fool yourself.

But I won't even row back either. As it is the conditions and economic oppression goes on in many parts of (mostly) Southern europe, and I see European leaders using the memory of WWII as a means to shut the questioning of the uglier aspects of this project.

Hey LBI, did deems clue you in to how your first name is pronounced in Ireland?

― gyac, Monday, September 16, 2019 7:45 PM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

jird lbi pretty much otm tbf. Jèrd perhaps. Is it worse than that?

...as a veteran of junior camogie games where the angry mammies on the sideline would make a sailor blush.

― gyac, Monday, September 16, 2019 7:49 PM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

There were no angry mammies in the press stand, I reckon! All the looks around me were like *blushes*. At first I thought they felt ashamed because I was there, for the 'guest' having to hear that word, but no, their blushes and shame was solely on them. (and 'fuck' has proved to be a valuable addition to the Dutch language tbf. It's what it is but it being English takes the edge off of it somewhat. Politicians will say it on camera, in a goofy way, to avoid having to use a real Dutch curse word).

anyone willing to guess how BJ will obey the law but not request an extension on 19/10?

but its recipe for peace (make markets sovereign) has become the basis of increasing volatility and dissent. Its claim that the austerity visited on countries post-2008 was backed by an enobling project of european stability looks increasingly shaky given the role those policies have had in undermining european unity.

I think it's worth reiterating, once again, that the EU remains a motley compound of more-or-less sovereign nations, the most powerful of which were all-too willing to countersign Austerity. Were said nations to elect other parties, the heteronomous entity that we call the EU would acquire a new meaning.

(and gyac thanks for your nice remarks about the piece <3)

Otfm @ ico

ffs he's called plaxico

after some nfl player who ironed himself into his shorts or something

That Arabian Nights film (Gomes, 2015/6) is a delicious satire on how European neolib bureaucracy has screwed over the Portuguese working class fyi and if xyzzzz liked it he'd surely be using it to back up his points (which I agree with the sentiment if not always the degree of)

But I won't even row back either.

one of the unfortunate consequences of the EU branding itself as a symbol of European peace is that it's led to this ahistorical mythology where lots of ppl think it was actually a major cause of postwar peace rather than a symptom of it

The acronym finder is rubbish today xp

ffs he's called plaxico

Mr Umunna criticised the Labour leader's foreign policy positions, saying he acted as "an apologist for a hard-right Russian government that thinks it's OK to poison people on British soil".

He also accused him of "lauding authoritarian regimes in Venezuela and Iran" and "failing to support the prescription of Hezbollah as a terrorist organisation".

Labour has said it will not seek to block the government’s decision to ban the political wing of Hezbollah in the UK, but suggested the move by Sajid Javid was motivated by his leadership ambitions rather than actual evidence.

Membership of the Lebanon-based group’s military wing is already outlawed, but the proscription will now be extended to its political arm, the home secretary announced on Monday.

Labour has previously advocated dialogue with Hezbollah’s political wing.

anyone willing to guess how BJ will obey the law but not request an extension on 19/10?

Quick question for any passing Americans: do you know who the Lib Dems are?

― gyac, Monday, September 16, 2019 9:55 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

I've been aware of the Lib Dems since 2010 but I still haven't the foggiest notion what they're for

not "for" as in what they're in favor of, but "for" as in their functional purpose

they are good for me to poop on

^this is the sort of incivility that's driving out all dissenting opinion when this thread sorely needs more lib dem perspectives