PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

Me praying for Fred:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/89/c5/b0/89c5b0cc7be5627ebfa4294d882ca20c.jpg

putting in a good word for fred b here because yknow what we'll all want prayers someday

xxxxps, the EU explicitly endorses austerity type programs all the time. The 'common sense' approach of european liberal economics bared its teeth in ireland/greece after 2008 but it is a consensus position w.in the main powers and the basis of its fiscal approach. This was not always the case, but it has been so since the 1980s for various reasons (which the UK did have a lot to do with). I am v remain but omg if you think the EU is at all a benign institution you are basically deluded and I don't know what to say for u. I think the remain and reform position needs a strong emphasis on reform and I do think that the keynsian approach of corbynomics is anathema to ecb doctrine and I would expect a big pushback from lagarde if the uk did somehow stay in. Obviously recent evidence that the IMF had started to crack on this but stimulous approaches are not loved in the way the "sensible spending" approaches that have left say Ireland in the state it is in: a tax haven, with incredible wealth hoarding, a high cost of living and a massive housing crisis, no socialised healthcare system, cuts to the minimum wage but one of the lowest corporate tax rates in europe untouched. etc etc.

My nana went to every pilgrimage site in Europe and I was her favourite grandchild, I think im grand thanks
― gyac, Monday, 16 September 2019 17:07 (thirty seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

didnu just na na na at my lack of nana privilege

mine told me not to come to her funeral but even tho there were witnesses to this i was still made

It will be interesting to see who or what the new villain will be when the UK can't blame the EU anymore.

yeah but i assume nobody in ireland has ever had their funeral wishes granted ever

"uhuh, no religious ceremony. okay...." *dials mcgrath's funeral home*

Thanks to my phone making me sound like an even more racist Richard Dawkins there.

Hot take: a funeral isn't for the deceased, Max Brod was right to publish Kafka's stuff, and Deems was ever so right, too.

I think the remain and reform position needs a strong emphasis on reform and I do think that the keynsian approach of corbynomics is anathema to ecb doctrine and I would expect a big pushback from lagarde if the uk did somehow stay in

Hollande meekly attempted this; now imagine if instead of Cameron the UK had elected a proper left-leaning Labour PM and they'd had a go at it together contra Merkel.

Not saying Deems is Max Brod, mind. Yet.

gyac: I suspect the Irish might get a look in there....

just wanna say that ireland isnt perfect but its still good yknow, even if only showing LBI fatima mansions and the nortsoide probably wont have him agreeing

I demand that when I’m dead and gone the mods delete all posts but mine

I am fully aware of the lib dems because this thread is my lifeline

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xxxp the point is not so much "contra merkel" and this is the way in which the anti-eu fantasists have actually latched onto something real, which is that the governing processes of the eu are (and this is intentional) technocratic rather than democratic. Foucault sortof writes about this in the birth of biopolitics as the attempt to govern without governing, an attempt to make bureaucratic/technocratic mechanisms that operate around a construction of the market as ultimately sovereign and which require certain mandates that must be adminstered to *outside of the will of any individual/state.* There is a great clip of an irish journalist heckling the troika when they visited ireland and trying to force them to admit that post-2008 austerity in ireland as a way of paying back for the bad debts of european banks is ultimately a political decision, and a fairly arbitrary one at that.

In a 'TS: Brexit vs Trump as POTUS' kind of way?

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That's fair ico, but membership at the very least gives you a shot at rewriting the algorithm.

true and this is why i said remain and reform. but part of the way in which the eu imagines itself as a post-wwii never again institution leads to it undermining the agonistic basis of political argument and makes these other elements more important. This makes it incredibly intransigent around certain things (though its history of fudges shows that it can be incredibly flexible as well). I suspect a rewriting of the economic rulebook that disfavours neoclassical approaches is not going to happen without a very creative pushback.

basically what i'm saying is that the EU is appalling and I hate the suggestion that we have to pretend otherwise just bc its the better option.

its like hilary

basically i think of it as like hilary

ok I’ve been working... what did I miss

Wouldn't go that far tbh.

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eu imagines itself as a post-wwii never again institution

You avert the ultimate catastrophe and now what? People and whole countries are still being trampled upon. Its not much of a victory.

Yeah, whatever is wrong with xyzzzz, gyac, et al, I don't think it can be blamed on ilx.

― Frederik B, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 14:52 (three weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink

Great contribution, manages to be ignorant (and ableist?)

― gyac, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 14:59 (three weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink

Js, a chara...

fs I do some work for the afternoon and get relegated to an et al by fredo b

just wanna say that ireland isnt perfect but its still good yknow, even if only showing LBI fatima mansions and the nortsoide probably wont have him agreeing

― provisional ilx (darraghmac), Monday, September 16, 2019 7:14 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Au contraire! Even if I didn't know/remember Fatima Mansions was where you lived at the time, you took me on a grand and welcoming tour in sparse time. And I'd love to see where you now reside (which, hopefully, isn't Ballybough, because my one shot to fame in Ireland with this published piece pretty much makes it a no-go area for me, reading the comments, which are probably harsh but fair)

xps to deems and ico - sorry yr prayers on behalf of didn’t work, clearly my nana had a hotline to the big fella

xxxxxxxxxxcxcxccccxxp to ico I have spoken about the Irish in that context previously but I’m excluding us as we’re foreign & just making some points about minority British people. Not to excuse it in any way shape or form, but at least I am actually foreign? Someone from here’s who’s not white gets a question mark over their Britishness from the fash, I was never British in the first place.

musha you dont pray expecting it to work. chrisht.

I think American lurkers itt are great and should post more, but I’m really sorry they know about mark froncois and mike Gapes and baggymp

i have literally never prayed for anyone and i resent the insinuation

The only positive about Tom's scenario will be the reaction of FBPE Twitter when the LibDems go back into coalition in exchange for a Soft Brexit.

― Matt DC, Sunday, 15 September 2019 15:17 (yesterday) link

If it fell this way, this reaction could be more muted than might be expected

Hot take: a funeral isn't for the deceased

ah ok yah I understand the distinction yr making

I think wrt the EU and Ireland, their unwavering support (although I think we all suspect they’ll fuck us over somehow?) so far has been a good shout, because they can position it as the EU standing up for a small country, which it is, even if we all know they’re only really interested in protecting the single market when it comes down to it...

Speaking as someone from a family of undertakers: this is in no way a hot take.

― gyac, Monday, September 16, 2019 7:38 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Hot takes never really are, I know. But glad you're on my page. (our newspaper has a printery that works with undertakers daily, I could fill pages every week with their experiences, both hilarious and sad)

I’m just giving up xps cos by the time I post the threads moved on again, but I’m talking about whose nana’s prayers were most successful, but prayers of my own (lol), tyvm

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49715705

this auld shite is on the front page of the bbc with johnson saying that they want to "get out" so they can "get on" with a future relationship, and that the eu would prefer this. The "analysis" doesn't even touch on this claptrap but why is it so hard to understand that the things that have hamstrung leave negotiations will be the first things on the agenda come negotiations over the future relationship?

Hey LBI, did deems clue you in to how your first name is pronounced in Ireland?

I don't think that my grandmother ever prayed for anything except for the death of successful card-playing opponents

eu imagines itself as a post-wwii never again institution

You avert the ultimate catastrophe and now what? People and whole countries are still being trampled upon. Its not much of a victory.

― xyzzzz__, Monday, September 16, 2019 7:30 PM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

"not much of a victory" --- this is a good instance of why people call out your posts. Maybe it's just typical Brexiteer exaggeration? There is quite some distance between being held to repay ECB debt and Nazi occupation, and to indicate otherwise blemishes whatever point you are trying to make.

jird lbi i call him

(That’s a really nice piece btw LBI, but I raised my own eyebrows at this):

“We’re champions of fucking Ireland!,” he yells out, ecstatic. The f-word, echoing around the stadium, raises some eyebrows, but all is soon forgiven.

gotta say I inhaled sharply at that 'not much of a victory' post but it was certainly trolling, whatever that is

idk, the eu didn't actually win the war u kno. that was russia.

xps "trampled on" is doing a lot of heavy work in that post.

xxp the EU has often been criticised for Bosnia.