PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

I saw the LBI article and did comment on it.

So you read my post bemoaning how little the EU can do against Hungary, whose position on immigration is in fact equivalent to that of its Eastern European neighbours (not to mention, increasingly, that of Western Europeans as well) and hence difficult to sanction outright and you came to the conclusion that I am quite simply opposed to punitive measures?

Please stop engaging with xyzzzz__ - there is nothing in it for anyone.

pom, I know it seems weird, but you have to remember: He is a complete moron. The blocker works beautifully.

I've vowed not to block anyone. Besides, he can be a good poster when he isn't picking on his fellow ILXor, especially when discussing non-political topics.

Pom - when you say there is very little we can do about a specific member I am arguing back to say that isn't even true - and I cite the example of Greece (and other Euro countries too, but to a lesser extent) during the financial crisis. So if punitive measures were handed to Greece why not Hungary? Stop trying to cover up for this basket case. I don't support Brexit but yes the UK under Labour left government needs to be left alone to pursue its agenda (all speculation as the likelihood of Labour winning outright aside) because we have been a high-level of intervention from the EU in the last few years.

I am not picking on you, but on some of the content of your posts :)

So if punitive measures were handed to Greece why not Hungary?

Because it's not just about Hungary, it's about Poland as well. And other Eastern European countries, not to mention Austria and Italy – first and foremost – then other Western EU members that are increasingly opposed to immigration but that don't dare spell it outright (France being a prime example).

The EU functions as a centrist-right brake on its members, it's cushioned the UK from the worst excesses of Thatcherism including the Blair extension of same. I'm all for testing the limits of that, to destruction if need be, but still, all things being equal, better in than out

Just about

Can we have a EU thread where Comrade Alphabet and his foes can duke it out?

Please stop engaging with xyzzzz__ - there is nothing in it for anyone.

― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 16 September 2019 bookmarkflaglink

1) You have just engaged me by mentioning me, 2)You are an internet veteran and you should know this NEVER WORKS, come on Andrew.

We are all dreaming of a better world.

Some of us of a better one than others

What is the 'good'? What is the 'better', Glaucon?

I am not picking on you, but on some of the content of your posts :)

― xyzzzz__, Monday, September 16, 2019 6:02 PM (eighteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

You're engaging with Pom in bad faith (and not for the first time iirc)

:)

":)"

🔨)

LBI - I don't agree. I was arguing with Pom on the EU.

I think we can all agree, regardless of disagreements and shithousing from certain people itt aside, that this:

pom, I know it seems weird, but you have to remember: He is a complete moron. The blocker works beautifully.

Oh, fuck off

He def is, just earlier today about the route to a better England. It's a shame picking on Pom seems to be a "thing" now (and to comrade, I'm not the only one voicing seeing it as such). But let's agree to disagree on that.

I agree with this^ xxpost

Better an interesting foe than a world of agreement

That said, pom hasn't argued in bad faith at any point imo

xyzzzz is a troll who keeps attacking people he dislikes. It's not nice being on the receiving end of. Whether or not he is talking 'in bad faith' or genuinely don't get the difference between Greece needing a bailout and Hungary, well, not, is besides the point. As is whether or not he is 'capable' of something different than being a piece of shit towards pom.

fred you're also a troll

When would you say the last interesting post from xyzzzz__ was

fred you're also a troll

― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), 16. september 2019 18:42 (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

I won't blame anyone blocking me if they think that is the case. Would keep me out of this thread. And we would be spared the fake outrage from gyac.

xxp mate the last few contributions you’ve made itt have been to insult people and say absolutely nothing of value, sorry you’re not getting enough attention or whatever, but please fuck off already.

I thought we'd already had a referendum on the subject of товарищ алфавит.

Alphie made some good and thoughtful posts on the Joanna Hogg thread, admittedly about a film I didn't really like so much (at least compared to her previous ones) but he expressed his position well and helped me to understand why it might be Good If Not For Me

xxp mate the last few contributions you’ve made itt have been to insult people and say absolutely nothing of value, sorry you’re not getting enough attention or whatever, but please fuck off already.

― gyac, 16. september 2019 18:45 (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Just block me, if it's such a big problem, instead of sitting there and whining about it. Fucking waste of time for everyone.

nobody block anyone ffs

xps to AF

But what if the Labour Party's program became more than mild social democracy? There are different brands of left that aren't full communism.

All the countries you mention are from the European north. We have a new government in Italy who will try to pass a budget that could push EU rules. A situation to be watched closely because if this coalition doesn't work we will have elections with Salvini on the march.

ben elton warning of balkan style genocide if there's another indy ref.

what a cunt

Now there's something we can all agree on.

“I love Scotland, holiday here, my favourite drink is made here, I’ve many friends here and hope I never have to have a passport to get here but if I do, I’ll still come.

“But the UK has produced success and stability which is the envy of the world. I’m very scared and nervous at the way we’re all taking everything we have for granted.

“I’m suspicious of nationalism, defining yourself by geography or some spurious pride of birth.

basically fuck off and die you cunt

love the stability that being part of the uk is currently bringing.

if only there were comparable sized northern european countries that were independent to compare to.

Spitsbergen isn't independent mate!!

I think we can all agree, regardless of disagreements and shithousing from certain people itt aside, that this:

pom, I know it seems weird, but you have to remember: He is a complete moron. The blocker works beautifully.

is total bullshit and needs to stay the fuck out of this thread. Contributes absolutely nothing. Xyzzzzz is capable of interesting posts!

― gyac, Monday, 16 September 2019 16:36 (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

weird, i didn't see that message in the thread....

I think that anyone who wasn’t a total blow-in to this thread would know the difference between someone actually being mad or just posting calmly as they normally do.

Speaking of people completely out of touch

"With @joswinson as our Prime Minister we will revive our reputation on the world stage" @ChukaUmunna at #LDConf pic.twitter.com/PRj4StIdwD

— Liberal Democrats (@LibDems) September 16, 2019

Nominating calz for mvp of this thread

I thought Ben Elton had lived in Australia for years? That's even further away than Denmark.

i would read this thread even if it was only posts where calzino reminds us of damning evidence that some obscure backbencher is a total cunt

If i need a catchup I basically just scan for those (skip anything with a spectator link)

putting in a good word for fred b here because yknow what we'll all want prayers someday

(TLDR: pom but arsier)

So 'aside' from the aforementioned freedom of movement, the single market, the symbolic weight of a united postwar Europe and a few additional perks

perks to include more workers rights legislation than any UK government of the last 40 years has produced.

There was some shiteing on here a few months ago about "the EU can't be so good if austerity happened on their watch", like the EU isn't a gate that the Tories (and New Labour) haven't been pressing up against for decades. It would probably be good if they did more, but what would also be good if austerity had made the Tories completely unelectable. Like, I'm sorry that the EU can't save the UK from itself, but I can't get angrier at the EU than the UK about this situation.

Which is also why I'm being arsey about the election - a government (coalition or not) needs 320 MPs, and the increasing evidence is that 30% of the UK are total cunts. And it's the cunts that vote!

xp what is the good word?