PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

lmao jo swinson targeting a "majority LD government"... that's the LDs that currently sitting on 18 seats...

you'd think Lib Dems mourning the loss of Clegg's seat to an improperly vetted newcomer who has been a bit of a disaster (and I do feel sorry for the guy) would wonder if a party, any party, going from 12 MPs to this mythical 320+ within 2 years might just be a slightly bad idea

Get out of Westminster

This is forever my favourite video #LibDemConference pic.twitter.com/BjrM76akzv

— Abdi Duale (@AbdiDuale_) September 15, 2019

And a more recent one, due to popular demand #WinningHere pic.twitter.com/NanbVNnJZr

— Abdi Duale (@AbdiDuale_) September 15, 2019

very big mood

Lib Dems buying into the hard right narrative on Sadiq is it, qwhite an interesting development 👀 https://t.co/R5sJjSIx0z

— Patrick Moûle 🌹 (@patrickmoule) September 15, 2019

good lord why am I listening to Sarah Elliot on Nolan's 5 live show at this time of night? need to neck a couple of co-dydramols with some brandy and hope I can dream about having a holiday in hell next to a lake full of piss!

according to the torygraph next week labour are going to unveil their plan to scrap UC starting with short term fixes like end to sanctions, five week wait etc..

I was just about to link

SCOOP: Labour are set to soon announce plans to scrap Universal Credit in the coming weeks https://t.co/hr7Ox5cH9Q

— Ben Gartside (@BenGartside) September 15, 2019

I still get shudders at that clip of May in the commons sticking up for the rape clause, that is what a feminist looks like indeed

Before UC, all benefit claims were activated in around two weeks from the date of application. As a freelancer I’ve had to price in ridiculous delays to payment - try surviving on £50 while an accounts department dithers for a month or two past the date you expected to be paid, without alibi or apology - and that’s horrible enough. Being at the whim of sanctions and what a Capita/Atos person ate for breakfast that day is absolutely soul-destroying, and anyone in my position should be making common cause with claimants rather than saying ‘if I can hack it, so should you’.

sanctions are effectively the first steps to homelessness or you can google "commits suicide after benefits sanctions" to read pages and pages of needless tragedies caused by these evil fucks

You do have to wonder what strain of crack some people are smoking when they accuse this guy of lacking courage. Having already faced the most sustained, most disgusting character assassination I’ve seen, here he is basically saying “come on then”. https://t.co/I0ttgOcN53

— Socialist Dad (@shirleymush) September 16, 2019

He is - I think partly because more than many politicians he is in many ways very ordinary, takes a real interest in all kinds of ordinary people, likes hearing what they have to say, and that allows him to take a broader view and ignore the BS.

I suppose it helps that, though he is bombarded with vitriol and lies every day, most days of his life he also gets to meet someone for the first time who wants to shake his hand and say that he inspires them. As I once did.

yeah, he gets a lot of shit but there's a lot more love for corbyn out there than nearly any other politician

who's ahead of him? king kenneth of europa?

didn't think so

Philia or agape?

eros m8

(gazzara's not awake yet so I'm just filling in)

Trying to keep it PG-13 here (with apologies for the Americanism).

(gazzara's not awake yet so I'm just filling in)

i have been awake since 6:15am fyi

Former Tory Party Chair Baroness Warsi Is Being Wooed By The Lib Dems But Says She Isn’t Defecting — Yet https://t.co/Bb7gxfp65f via @elashton

— Hannah Al-Othman (@HannahAlOthman) September 16, 2019

You'd have to question her integrity if she remains in such a racist party that continually ignores her legit concerns about Islamophobia and has sidelined her for raising these concerns. But then again I'd have even less respect for her joining the current iteration of the LibDems. So basically she's bad and she should feel bad!

Tories joining the Lib Dems is a wonderful thing.

it's p funny for sure!

It's great for the Labour Party.

Plus big lolz @ Chuka.

Wondering if ex-Labour types might start defecting to the Greens, the final resting home for Blairite "best of both wings" fence-sitters.

no reason why they couldn't also defect to the very ambitious LibDem and Unionist Party, under Swinson the sky is the limit

Greens are not remotely Blairite for all of Lucas' recent vacillating

Asked whether the party would stand aside for Labour candidates, the Lib Dem leader said:

That’s a different question because Labour are not a remain party, Labour are trying to deliver a Labour Brexit. But where we agree with others on stopping Brexit, we are in those discussions.

how is she not getting hammered by interviewers pointing out that labour are committed to a second referendum

If a second referendum is being held, and the outcome is more or less the same as the previous one (leave slightly bigger than remain), what would Labour's position then be though?

deliver the wa they agree with the eu, i guess - very much not ideal but compared to no deal it's probably the best we can hope for in the event a referendum goes south again, and britons would (in theory) at least know what they were voting for this time around

it's a risky strategy but it seems more pragmatic than the libdems promising to unilaterally cancel brexit

who's ahead of him? king kenneth of europa?

― imago, Monday, 16 September 2019 bookmarkflaglink

didn't think so

― imago, Monday, 16 September 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Philia or agape?

― pomenitul, Monday, 16 September 2019 bookmarkflaglink

eros m8

― imago, Monday, 16 September 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Comedy from our clowns on ilxor dot com

Send in...the tanks

A second referendum makes more strategic (and democratic) sense than cancelling Brexit altogether. I'm still not sold on Corbyn's unwillingness to brand Labour as an unequivocally pro-Remain party, however, including on purely pragmatic grounds.

^^ yeah, same. And it continues to be a weak spot others can have a go at. Idk.

There ought to...tanks
Well, maybe next year

if parties pledging to revoke article 50 won a majority of seats in an election wouldn't that have as much or more democratic legitimacy as a second referendum? particularly because a second referendum is advocated almost elusively by people whose goal is to stop brexit from happening?

is there a significant constituency of voters who would see article 50 revocation as illegitimate who wouldn't also see a second referendum that resulted in the UK remaining in the EU as equally illegitimate?

If a second referendum is being held, and the outcome is more or less the same as the previous one (leave slightly bigger than remain), what would Labour's position then be though?

it's an enormous if

i know this doesn't go over well on ILX but something close to 50% of the electorate want(ed) to leave and there is no magic hand-waving that away, there is only power and how it can be (ab)used to prevent it - people are gonna be really pissed off, one way or another. which isn't to say fuck 'em, cos yeah probably fuck 'em, but i don't see any magic road to "reconciling the nation". it's war.

v otm unfortch

The hard road is to make this country less of a hell to live in for a lot of people. Working to reduce inequality so that minorities don't get the boot. That also means war on the Tory enemy and also a lot of Lib Dems who hoard more of the wealth.

If it is to be Revoke then it has to come with a program of wide scale transformation. Doing just Revoke so you look more pro-EU is for cunts xp

damn straight

A referendum is really the only way to nullify the first one and loads of people will still be angry. Continuity remain has a lot to answer for - soft Brexit was clearly the least worst option to exit and they kept turning it down. Verhoefstadt at the Lib Dem conference looks and sounds awful and I’d expect to see clips of that heavily used during another leave campaign.

I mean look at this shit:

Jo Swinson struggling to rebut claim that new “revoke” position is undemocratic. Surely just has to say that if Lib Dems win a general election on a revoke platform, that would mean revoke would have won a democratic mandate

— Jonathan Freedland (@Freedland) September 16, 2019

Just saw this and extremely otm too

And this is why things don't get better pic.twitter.com/sySKBIna0D

— .. -.. .. --- - (@LeithMotive) September 16, 2019

how much fucking crack can people smoke? i've got more chance of forming the next government than the CUNTS DIE DIE DIE Lib Dems

I'm down with that. I also happen to believe that such a wide-scale transformation is likelier to occur within rather than without the EU.

xps

i've said it before pom but literally the only thing that led me to vote remain in the end was concern for my European friends and neighbours. the institution is all kinds of a mess and yeah the best way to reform it is from within but all i hear when i see FBPEers bleating is middle class cunts who calmly stood thru 40 years of Thatcherite economics in this country throwing their toys out of the pram because it might be a bit harder to visit their holiday homes in future

i find it really hard to argue with my gammon friends that the votes they cast in good faith mean fuck all. i can josh them about their xenophobia and that xenophobia is real and stupid like all xenophobia but the genie has been released, smug cunts just endlessly saying "fuck 'em" are not helping the ish at all. the only people whose opinions i take remotely seriously on this are non UK nationals living here because you've had the horrible misfortune to be here at a time when England - not the UK's - natural massive racism and exceptionalism has been given full rein

but unless cunts on the remain side get real and think about the consequences, i give up