2020 Democratic presidential primary

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This is a stunningly amoral take that reduces politics to a question of strategy, tone, & performance--rather than a high-stakes process that determines who will live and who will die, who will get healthcare, who will be able to put food on the table. https://t.co/OuH0PQYEwi pic.twitter.com/ij6MfEuYfY

— Sarah Lazare (@sarahlazare) September 13, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 September 2019 19:01 (six years ago)

I feel like NYT/Wapo is not being very hard on any of the serious candidates at this particular moment so I would take any Biden’s defense with a grain of salt.

Van Horn Street, Friday, 13 September 2019 20:27 (six years ago)

what if they're still doing it in February?

(they will, if Joe hasnt fallen apart like Katherine Helmond in Brazil)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 September 2019 20:35 (six years ago)

glenn kessler (mr. pinnocchios) of wapo definitely has a bee in his bonnet about bernie

Mommy...can I go out and VAPE tonight? (voodoo chili), Friday, 13 September 2019 20:38 (six years ago)

I think @fordm is onto something here https://t.co/GcvQYAB158

— 'Weird Alex' Pareene (@pareene) September 13, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 September 2019 20:58 (six years ago)

why not both?

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Saturday, 14 September 2019 01:31 (six years ago)

Sanders prefers a more obscure brute force mechanism than Warren? Color me fascinated

El Tomboto, Saturday, 14 September 2019 03:29 (six years ago)

always yr color

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 September 2019 04:32 (six years ago)

I Looked Up Kamala Harris and…#KamalaHarris #DrewComments #PresidentialDebate #hbcu #BlackWomen #prosecutor pic.twitter.com/5711oTQXjn

— Drew Comments (@sjs856) September 13, 2019

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Saturday, 14 September 2019 15:13 (six years ago)

An interesting thread.

my hot take on the democratic primary right now is that the divide isn’t actually a one dimensional “left/moderate”. instead, it has two dimensions. “return to normalcy” vs “big change” and “want to elect a woman” vs “can only win if we nominate a man”

— b-boy bouiebaisse (@jbouie) September 14, 2019

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Saturday, 14 September 2019 21:24 (six years ago)

“can only win if we nominate a man” is completely indefensible and stupid given the 'Democratic coalition' and actual 2016 results.

(Weirdly, the only people I've heard say it in real life were avid Hillary supporters in the primary.)

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 14 September 2019 22:13 (six years ago)

But it's a real way that many people seem to think

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 14 September 2019 22:16 (six years ago)

yes

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 14 September 2019 22:17 (six years ago)

only people I've heard say it in real life were avid Hillary supporters in the primary

Her defeat by Trump hurt her supporters very deeply and many of them concluded the Achilles heel of her campaign was the misogyny she attracted just by virtue of being a woman. With reason.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 14 September 2019 22:19 (six years ago)

Indeed, and it would be a mistake for any female candidate to not have a plan to address this misogyny as part of her overall strategy.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 14 September 2019 22:22 (six years ago)

From an ardent Hillary supporter a few months ago:

Joe Biden isn’t Hillary Clinton. He can draw moderates on the right who wouldn’t have voted for her. He also doesn’t have the same baggage she had. But even beyond that, no one else CAN beat Trump. He will wipe up the floor with any woman, you can be sure of that. There is ZERO chance Warren can beat him. Right now the ship can’t be yanked to the hard left from all the way over on the hard right. It has to go back to the middle and then pull farther left. Don’t make the same mistakes democrats made in 1972.

https://medium.com/@sashastone/joe-biden-isnt-hillary-clinton-c656e0602b72

jaymc, Saturday, 14 September 2019 22:33 (six years ago)

lol at mcgovern comparisonsssssss dems

wario in the streets, waluigi in the sheets (m bison), Saturday, 14 September 2019 22:35 (six years ago)

How is every sentence of that untrue except the first one

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Saturday, 14 September 2019 22:36 (six years ago)

If every single person who voted for Hil votes for the Dem nominee again, that person will (probably) win

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Saturday, 14 September 2019 22:38 (six years ago)

Incidentally, a coworker of mine in his 60s mentioned the McGovern Mistake as a reason he was so opposed to Bernie getting the nomination. I had to remind him that a substantial percentage of Bernie's support comes from independents and people turned off by conventional politics, and that many voters simply don't think in purely ideological terms. Whether he can assemble a winning coalition is up for debate, but his seems a more likely formula to succeed than most of the other candidates in the race.

jaymc, Saturday, 14 September 2019 22:44 (six years ago)

exciting new voters is at the core of bernie's appeal and why he's one of the better candidates in spite of his age

wario in the streets, waluigi in the sheets (m bison), Saturday, 14 September 2019 23:00 (six years ago)

Both Biden and Sanders have in common a sort of certainty that they will win that actually reminds me (retrospectively) of Hilary’s worst tendencies. Unsurprisingly, that certainty trickle down to their supporters.

Van Horn Street, Saturday, 14 September 2019 23:18 (six years ago)

well bernie would've won, so it stands to reason that he will'd've win again

j., Saturday, 14 September 2019 23:20 (six years ago)

If you don't have that sort of certainty, you probably shouldn't be running for President.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 14 September 2019 23:26 (six years ago)

That's how you get JEB!ed or become John Kerry.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 14 September 2019 23:27 (six years ago)

or you don't know how to rep your home state fair as the greatest in the world!!!!!!!

j., Saturday, 14 September 2019 23:28 (six years ago)

McGovern ran against a massive headwind, the major component of which was the national racist backlash against civil rights. All the hoopla about his being "too liberal" was largely a dog whistle on that issue. The democratic coalition was already deeply fractured both by that and the war, which potent combinatiion had brought down an incumbent president already. Bernie is operating under a very different set of national conditions, although obviously the racist backlash still has a very, very long tail.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 14 September 2019 23:49 (six years ago)

Several Democratic presidential candidates called for the impeachment of Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh Sunday after newly reported allegations of sexual misconduct against him in the New York Times.

The outlet reported late Saturday night that a male former classmate claims to have witnessed Kavanaugh expose himself at a party where friends pushed his genitals against a woman without her consent.

Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro and former Rep. Beto O'Rourke (D-Texas) have all explicitly called for Kavanaugh's impeachment.

Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) both called for further investigations, and in Sanders' case the use of an "appropriate constitutional mechanism to hold him accountable."

thehill.com (sorry)

Sally Jessy (Karl Malone), Sunday, 15 September 2019 20:08 (six years ago)

McGovern ran against a massive headwind, the major component of which was the national racist backlash against civil rights. All the hoopla about his being "too liberal" was largely a dog whistle on that issue. The democratic coalition was already deeply fractured both by that and the war, which potent combinatiion had brought down an incumbent president already. Bernie is operating under a very different set of national conditions, although obviously the racist backlash still has a very, very long tail.

― A is for (Aimless

and the Nixon campaign ratfucked him

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 15 September 2019 20:23 (six years ago)

or you don't know how to rep your home state fair as the greatest in the world!!!!!!!

the world series of state fairs

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Sunday, 15 September 2019 21:20 (six years ago)

I do think Sanders can get under the Grifter's skin the most

but this is unprovable

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 September 2019 21:27 (six years ago)

They should see if Trump will join one of the D primary debates. Bet he would.

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Sunday, 15 September 2019 22:29 (six years ago)

oh my god yes, tell him he can join the debates if he switches back to being a Democrat (from the Democrat party)

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Sunday, 15 September 2019 22:34 (six years ago)

Sanders can get under the Grifter's skin the most

Possibly. Trump has a small but potent bag of tricks to grab the spotlight and make everything be about himself and what he just said (though hardly ever what he just did). Bernie has his own set of talking points and he is very hard to derail, which sort of non-response really does annoy Trump a lot.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 16 September 2019 01:40 (six years ago)

oh tulsi

.@realDonaldTrump

Trump awaits instructions from his Saudi masters. Having our country act as Saudi Arabia's bitch is not "America First." https://t.co/kJOCpqwaQS

— Tulsi Gabbard (@TulsiGabbard) September 16, 2019

mookieproof, Monday, 16 September 2019 03:38 (six years ago)

I mean shes not wrong exactly

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 16 September 2019 04:09 (six years ago)

for someone who wants to be president, this falls more under the heading of 'use other words, plz'

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 16 September 2019 04:14 (six years ago)

I think for anyone nutty enough to want tulsi gabbard in the white house, those are the words they want.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 16 September 2019 04:27 (six years ago)

yup

Simon H., Monday, 16 September 2019 04:30 (six years ago)

no interest in tulsi (who is my rep) but as geopolitical critique that tweet's closer to the mark than p much anything more allegedly tasteful dems say about putin

difficult listening hour, Monday, 16 September 2019 04:40 (six years ago)

Bernie Sanders

flappy bird, Monday, 16 September 2019 05:29 (six years ago)

don't have a problem w/ those words

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 September 2019 05:57 (six years ago)

This is a Tulsi "greatest hit." She called him that a few months ago and got positive feedback.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 16 September 2019 11:59 (six years ago)

I mean, she's crazy and all, but it don't make her always wrong.

I keep saying she might win Iowa when her supporters chain the doors closed and refuse to let anyone out until they say "Tulsi."

pplains, Monday, 16 September 2019 13:19 (six years ago)

lol why do ILXors act like Tulsi is radioactive

Non stop chantar (crüt), Monday, 16 September 2019 13:29 (six years ago)

because she's basically Ron Paul?

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 16 September 2019 13:31 (six years ago)

uhh she’s not a libertarian

Non stop chantar (crüt), Monday, 16 September 2019 13:36 (six years ago)

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rosiegray/tulsi-gabbard-2020-ron-paul

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 16 September 2019 13:43 (six years ago)

People also don't trust Gabbard because of this:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/opinion-tulsi-gabbard-lgbtq-rights_n_5c3e250ce4b0922a21d93a93

It was, she says, the days in the Middle East that taught her the dangers of a theocratic government “imposing its will” on the people. (She tells me that, no, her personal views haven’t changed, but she doesn’t figure it’s her job to do as the Iraqis did and force her own beliefs on others.)

brigadier pudding (DJP), Monday, 16 September 2019 13:46 (six years ago)

*Rolling aquamarine waves*

*Palm trees sway in the breeze*

*An attractive woman with a determined look in her eye looks straight into the camera, unblinking*

"Bashar al-Assad deserves our support."

*Sun reflects golden crystals across the horizon*

PAIDFORBYGABBY

pplains, Monday, 16 September 2019 13:51 (six years ago)


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