I dare you to anticipate Joaquin Phoenix in Todd Phillips's JOKER (now with something that may or may not be a SPOILER)

debt to a certain Scorsese film looks obscene

https://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review-joker-is-a-punishingly-self-serious-mishmash-of-borrowed-parts/

so i here this has a subway scene based on bernie goetz but instead of black kids it's wall street execs harassing him

because the bad thing about the 1% is that they are always riding public transport and harassing the proles on them

Well, back in the early '80s there were no taxis or limousines, so rich and poor alike mingled freely on the subways. It was all part of the vibrant tapestry of city life, as depicted in at least three of Patti Smith's memoirs.

Was reading Ebert's review of Todd Phillips's Due Date, which sounds like a similar "homage to"/steal from Planes, Trains, and Automobiles.

the Todd Phillips film i saw was a bootleg video of Frat House when i was in college iirc -- it was a very "serious" film about dumb dudes drinking beer and slapping the filmmakers across the face.

An Oscar for that film would rile up the MCU creators and its fans and that in itself might be worth it.

That is a very hot + fresh + good take.

Lol It would just mean that instead of three relatively light Marvel movies a year we would suddenly get a spate of "dark" Marvel movies.

yeah, be careful what you wish for
this winter... Marvel Dark presents... STRIKEFORCE MORITURI
actually that would be dope
MODOK UNBOUND
no that would be dope too
KA ZAR and HOWARD THE DUCK in
actually, let's try this

I assume a dark Howard the Duck would involve him confronting the evil child molester from the first movie for extra #wokeness

cannot wait for tim burtons howard the duck to reveal that his daddy wanted him to be an accountant and thats why hes so sad now

has anyone seen this movie btw

is it any good

fwiw I haven't seen any reviews calling it bad, so ...

oh it's bad alright... bad to the bone... THE FUNNY BONE HAHAHAHAHAHAHEEEHEEEHEE IT'S JOKER TIME!

fwiw I haven't seen any reviews calling it bad, so ...

David Edelstein says "it panders to selfish, small-minded feelings of resentment and as such is profoundly boring. It’s a one-joke movie"..."monotonous, unpleasant, and morally blech"..."As Hannah Arendt saw banality in the supposed evil of the Nazi Adolf Eichmann, I see in Joker an attempt to elevate nerdy revenge to the plane of myth."

Glenn Kenny says "Fleck’s alienation in the early scenes evokes Travis Bickle’s, but this movie is too chicken-livered to give Fleck Bickle’s racism"..."As social commentary, “Joker” is pernicious garbage...The final minutes, which will move any sentient viewer to mutter “would you just pick a goddamn ending and stick to it?” are likely an indication of what kind of mess we would have had on our hands had Phillips been left entirely to his own cynical incoherent devices for the entire runtime."

Stephanie Zacharek says "the aggressive and possibly irresponsible idiocy of Joker overall is [Phillips'] alone to answer for. Phillips may want us to think he’s giving us a movie all about the emptiness of our culture, but really, he’s just offering a prime example of it"..."Joker — which was written by Phillips and Scott Silver — doesn’t have a plot; it’s more like a bunch of reaction GIFs strung together"..."Joker is dark only in a stupidly adolescent way, but it wants us to think it’s imparting subtle political or cultural wisdom."

oh, I've heard plenty of criticisms. But those reviews, were they entirely negative, or they did they just highlight things they didn't like that?

Reading those blurbs I get a sense they didn't like the film.

Amid calling it monotonous, unpleasant, boring, aggressively idiotic and stupidly adolescent, they did say that it had some positive aspects, yes. Feel better now?

Critics man, just like those chad finance bros kicking the shit of the poor Joker when he is down on his knees. Can't a film have his dignity.

I'll be really curious, once all the reviews show up, how the average, well, averages out.

did any of them say anything about the movie as opposed to whether they agreed with whatever theyre disagreeing is the point of the movie

Critics man, just like those chad finance bros kicking the shit of the poor Joker when he is down on his knees. Can't a film have his dignity.

By some corners you mean the Jordan Peterson subreddit? Yeah I think so too.

otm

how the average, well, averages out.

given that the average American movie critic is a tasteless shithead

from the Uhlich review that Morbs posted:

Fleck is a skeleton-thin jester who works the sidewalks and hospital wards while dreaming of stand-up stardom, and he gets viciously beat up by a group of delinquents in the film’s first scene. As he lays bleeding in a scum-soaked alley, the prop flower on his lapel drips out a pathetic, pissy stream of water. It would be funny if the direction and framing wasn’t so arrogantly humorless.

“This is serious,” Phillips seems to be saying, as if he’s prosaically altered the anarchic mantra (“Why so serious?!?”) of Heath Ledger’s Joker in Christopher Nolan’s The Dark Knight. Fleck, at one of his many low points, does something similar to the “Don’t Forget to Laugh” sign in his workplace, blacking out “Forget to” with a marker so that it now reads “Don’t Laugh.” His action sums up Joker itself, which is made almost entirely out of the preexisting parts of other films, the connections reworked just enough to avoid outright plagiarism, and the results then slathered in a patina of paranoiac solemnity.

ya but is it any good I'm just trying to find that out

i get that many people who get paid to write about what they think movies ought to have done or meant seem to have written snippets here and there about what they object to in the message or politics of this effort

but is it any good is it a good movie

just want it sorted yknow

i hear yiz all that its awful that it was made, like.

but i mean some of you didnt even love watchmen ffs

1. Nobody’s seen it
2. No

i'm holding out for Todd Phillips's's's Story of the Eye

ty wins

Hopefully it will run in a theater at some point that is not too far out of the way for one of us to see and report back.

I got access to the script via a hub thing and yeah fuck ever seeing this

Waiting for the surprise Beyonce soundtrack drop.

Hub thing, looking for big fun

I would have much less of a problem if Phoenix's "Joker" was a copycat who used the actual Joker as a conduit for his psychosis.

The first hour and a half depict a sullen and resentful comedian becoming increasingly obsessed with the real Joker. He learns everything he can, starts a youtube channel, starts to mimic his voice and mannerisms, has his channel demonetized, then goes on stage and delivers a Louis CK set as the Joker. Instead of Robert De Niro as Murray Franklin, it's Joe Rogan as Joe Rogan. After appearing on Joe Rogan our comedian decides that he is the Joker and that he's going to turn everyone in Gotham City into little Jokers. Then in the last ten minutes, while out clowning around he encounters the real Joker who kills him and walks away laughing. THE END. Think Single White Female but with more Jokers and no women.

might want to spoiler that eh

That is unironically a much-better sounding synopsis than the actual movie

A loser that posts to 4chan and lives with a random old lady he calls mother puts on makeup and starts stabbing people.

Runs for office one year later

have we been the victims of a crul joaq

lol

My brain just conjured an image of Phoenix in full I'm Still Here mode taking a page from Cesar Romero and slathering his Joker makeup on over a massive beard and heck maybe just right atop that pair of shades as well and now I'm having a very difficult time stifling my laughter rn.

might want to spoiler that eh

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Yeah, but it's already finished :(

first half hour, joaquin phoenix is john ochre, a frustrated borderline case trying to get a career off the ground as a makeup artist

as he suffers rejection after rejection at his department store stand, he gradually applies more and more greasepaint to stand out more from the other sellers (highlight of this act, a melancholy "my time of day" type musical number as he waltzes from one area of the store to the next after closing time with a mannequin who will be heavily featured in planned sequels)

second hour, heavily improvised joaquin discussion piece about idk patch-testing, the importance of a proper cleansing routine and moisturiser with the correct spf for you, nightmarish late-night tv shop footage aesthetic as the desperation pf our hero-anti-hero grows, act to close with a violent sequence of our hero horribly mauled in black friday crowds of dorises and mabels

third act is a metamorphosis reveal, our jochre, scarred inside and out by LATE CAPITALISM nurses a deep hatred of otherwsise nice old ladies who ignore queueing etiquette and hatches plans to blow up a bingo hall

Joaquin Phoenix as the failed mime who bungles his chance to perform a 75 hour-long performance piece, The Joker, at PS1. As the movie ends he's sitting on a rock in Central Park with his hand in his pants swigging from a paper bag while the theme from Arthur plays in the background.

an empty paper bag, that drifts away as we follow it into the night sky......until it takes the shape of

a joke

can't wait for the climactic scene where Phoenix stares into the camera and says "Joker? I hardly even know 'er! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"

can't wait for the other climactic scene when we finally discover what "the pompatus of love" means

its a wiener iirc

There's an embargo in effect, but I hear this is about a guy that snaps and goes on a spree of knocking on doors then running away.