Huh, our NDP candidate is a podcaster. http://www.michaelspratt.com/poadcast-legal-matters
― jmm, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 16:44 (five years ago) link
Ha, I'll look into Taman's record but I'm leaning Green at this point. Ottawa Centre is a Lib-NDP contest and I have no strong preference between them rn.
My animosity towards Catherine McKenna over TransMountain is almost balanced out by wanting to stick it to the misogynists who are giving her crap.
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 17:10 (five years ago) link
i live in what used to be the safest ndp riding in canada, and which even after last election, where there was a huge swing to the liberals, the ndp candidate still won by 20 points.
makes me slightly disinclined to campaign but i guess you shouldn't be too complacent and i could also volunteer in one of the currently liberal ridings in the burbs.
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 17:17 (five years ago) link
well now we might pay attention to the elections!
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 23:37 (five years ago) link
Uh oh... a Vancouver businessman has had a sudden and conveniently timed crisis of conscience over something he saw in an old year book.
― Manitobiloba (Kim), Thursday, 19 September 2019 00:01 (five years ago) link
Ugh. Just ugh to all of it.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 19 September 2019 00:31 (five years ago) link
God, what a story.
― clemenza, Thursday, 19 September 2019 00:43 (five years ago) link
https://magiciconsigli.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/winkies-2.jpg
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 19 September 2019 01:03 (five years ago) link
great headline from yesterday: https://election.ctvnews.ca/some-voters-question-whether-canada-is-ready-for-a-pm-with-a-turban-1.4598227
― Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Thursday, 19 September 2019 02:24 (five years ago) link
What this is all about if you don't live in Canada and can't be bothered looking up details:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-brownface-arabian-nights-1.5289165
― clemenza, Thursday, 19 September 2019 02:38 (five years ago) link
If you look at that picture, there may be--may be; I don't know any details--a second issue: he's a teacher, and that may be a student he's kind of friendly with there.
― clemenza, Thursday, 19 September 2019 02:41 (five years ago) link
I hope the media will heavily report that the NCCM has accepted his apology. Already tired of white people being offended in lieu of POCs.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 19 September 2019 02:48 (five years ago) link
andrew scheer always sounds do nervous when he talks
― Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Thursday, 19 September 2019 02:53 (five years ago) link
this is kind of weird to say, but i agree with ed the sock?
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― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 19 September 2019 02:54 (five years ago) link
don't think the NCCM actually has the power to absolve Trudeau on behalf of all Muslims. And there is no way that they'd accept an apology that quickly from a Conservative (or even someone from another party) who did the same thing
― Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Thursday, 19 September 2019 02:58 (five years ago) link
how did conservative oppo research miss this, harper must be rolling in his grave
― Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Thursday, 19 September 2019 03:00 (five years ago) link
Fantastic assumption man.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 19 September 2019 03:00 (five years ago) link
The NCCM doesn't have the power to absolve Trudeau on behalf of all Muslims because no institution holds that kind of power and it ain't the point of the NCCM, so duh. That's not the point. The point is that politically-minded jerks will use the photo's offensiveness to rip into Trudeau while ignoring what the leading body of Canadian muslims has to say about it and I find it to be excruciating and hypocritical. If a consensus of Canadian muslims come up with a clear rebuke of the NCCM decision I will rescind that.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 19 September 2019 03:10 (five years ago) link
yeah, fair enough
― Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Thursday, 19 September 2019 03:11 (five years ago) link
what really gets me about that photo is how utterly unsurprising it is
― Simon H., Thursday, 19 September 2019 03:16 (five years ago) link
I don't think that's a teenager?
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Thursday, 19 September 2019 03:37 (five years ago) link
Honestly, I doubt this will move the needle very much.
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Thursday, 19 September 2019 03:44 (five years ago) link
Yeah same.
I just wish there was more outrage for Bill 21, rather than an obvious mistake made 18 years ago.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 19 September 2019 03:57 (five years ago) link
And there is no way that they'd accept an apology that quickly from a Conservative (or even someone from another party) who did the same thing
I mean, if this is true, is it because the NCCM has some partisan loyalty to the Liberals? Or is it because Liberal policy has been better for Muslims than they think Tory policy would be?
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Thursday, 19 September 2019 04:16 (five years ago) link
Ya, I would think it’s been earned at little more than with, at least, the cpc.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 19 September 2019 04:38 (five years ago) link
yeah I mean it's totally just an assumption...and yeah CPC/PPC/CAQ all implicitly and explicitly condone some form of Islamophobia, so maybe JT has earned the benefit of the doubt
― Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Thursday, 19 September 2019 05:00 (five years ago) link
just tired of the monstrosity of the alternative being used to excuse Trudeau for lying about first past the post, for SNC Lavalin, for buying a pipeline, etc etc etc
― Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Thursday, 19 September 2019 05:01 (five years ago) link
This is like an alternate universe - yeah his opposition are fucking horrific on every level, but how is this acceptable? Even if you’re leaning heavily on youthful mistake (at 29?), he’s the son of an ex-PM and grew up used to public scrutiny. Come the fuck on, it’s horrendous judgement at best.
― gyac, Thursday, 19 September 2019 07:44 (five years ago) link
Insofar as it's impossible to conceive of an NDP (centre-left) victory at this point in time (or any other, really) because ours is a two-party system in all but name and Canadians currently appear to be more interested in letting the world know they're on the same nationalist bandwagon as everyone else (see: results of the latest provincial elections), this is the pathetic alternative we're left with.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 19 September 2019 07:49 (five years ago) link
'Fuck everything about this' is likely to be my refrain throughout.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 19 September 2019 07:53 (five years ago) link
overheard conversation between a couple of dumbasses in my office talking about the photo today, flawless logic on display: "how can that be racist - aladdin's not even real! who is it racist against, cartoon characters?"
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Thursday, 19 September 2019 12:06 (five years ago) link
Yeah same.I just wish there was more outrage for Bill 21, rather than an obvious mistake made 18 years ago.
pretty much. As terrible as this is, it isn't going to change anybody's opinion of him that much (see Aga Khan, trip to India for other instances of terrible judgement). I don't think anybody's going to actually start thinking Trudeau is racist because of this.
― silverfish, Thursday, 19 September 2019 13:02 (five years ago) link
No. But I think the usual view of political scandals is that they hurt most when they confirm general perceptions that are already out there*--in this case that Trudeau is privileged, clueless, and a hypocrite.
*with the standard caveat that normal rules do not apply to Trump
― clemenza, Thursday, 19 September 2019 13:24 (five years ago) link
wtf, another? How have none of these surfaced before now?
https://globalnews.ca/news/5922861/justin-trudeau-brownface-video
― jmm, Thursday, 19 September 2019 13:25 (five years ago) link
― pomenitul, Thursday, September 19, 2019 7:53 AM (five hours ago)
― pomenitul, Thursday, 19 September 2019 13:28 (five years ago) link
Trudeau has has negative momentum for a while now and most liberals know it. If there was some other star candidate waiting in the wings, I’d almost wonder if this was a Patrick Brown style hit job to pull a last minute leadership switcheroo. But yeah, fuck everything about this sums it up nicely.
― Manitobiloba (Kim), Thursday, 19 September 2019 14:17 (five years ago) link
Also I’d like to remind anyone who thinks blackfaces were consensually understood as bad in 2001, that they are still not really understood as bad in Quebec. The context is different and I think it matters.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 19 September 2019 14:32 (five years ago) link
they are still not really understood as bad in Quebec
Correct.
What about in BC, though?
― pomenitul, Thursday, 19 September 2019 14:34 (five years ago) link
the Arabian Nights teacher party was in Vancouver thoughis there any context yet on this new little video of him in blackface throwing his hands up?fuck him. what a complete distraction. Put a new leader in. I don't care if it is an internal hit.
― maffew12, Thursday, 19 September 2019 14:35 (five years ago) link
so we went from zero to three in less than a day? it doesn't reflect well on Trudeau at all – but i find it more than a little gross this is only coming to light now because of political opportunism and not any kind of sense of right and wrong. it's obvious someone was sitting on these until the election – and whether it was the conservatives or greens (Kinsella), no one comes out looking good on this. i always felt Trudeau was a entitled rich kid and he’s definitely lost some respect from me over this. however he did a better job than i expected as PM and has welcomed refugees & very publicly denounced Islamophobia. So this is all kind of a giant, gross, unwelcome wash in my books.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 19 September 2019 14:46 (five years ago) link
Yeah, blackface was something you would semi-regularly see on Québecois TV as late as the 90s. That doesn't make it right but I can excuse a teenage Trudeau for not realizing there's anything wrong with it.
Brownface in Vancouver in 2001 at age 29 is certainly worse. He should have known better by then, I would think.
― silverfish, Thursday, 19 September 2019 14:46 (five years ago) link
He has to fuck off. To not have come totally clean last night. Nope. Go away.
― maffew12, Thursday, 19 September 2019 14:52 (five years ago) link
There is indeed something quite gross about all the Bill 21 supporters and 'close our borders' conservatives celebrating this debacle, when they'd be the first to defend a right-leaning politician from such charges, tooth and nail. That said, hypocrisy is a juicy target regardless of one's own values.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 19 September 2019 14:54 (five years ago) link
In any case, we mustn't lose sight of the fact that a conservative government would be significantly worse for visible minorities, period.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 19 September 2019 14:56 (five years ago) link
I haven't even looked at reaction yet from the right. I agree with what you're saying here. And yet I was always going to have a hard time standing in line on a weeknight to prop up the Liberals. This is just too much. We don't vote directly for PM. Put someone else up front. Basically anyone.
― maffew12, Thursday, 19 September 2019 14:58 (five years ago) link
And lose all the votes he's just gained in Quebec?
(Sorry, I couldn't help it.)
― pomenitul, Thursday, 19 September 2019 15:00 (five years ago) link
yes. the way i see it, if you're in a riding that could go either liberal or conservative and you let this tip you to Con; you're an idiot.
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― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 19 September 2019 15:00 (five years ago) link
― maffew12, Thursday, September 19, 2019 10:52 AM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
He did say there was the Day O video.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 19 September 2019 15:01 (five years ago) link
The video was shot in the early 1990s, however, it’s not clear where it takes place ... He’s wearing a white T-shirt, and his jeans are ripped at the knees.
Grunge-era blackface
― jmm, Thursday, 19 September 2019 15:02 (five years ago) link
and lets be realistic, they're not changing leaders mid-campaign. if they wind up with a minority or in opposition after the election, they will probably start looking to do just that tho.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 19 September 2019 15:02 (five years ago) link