I dare you to anticipate Joaquin Phoenix in Todd Phillips's JOKER (now with something that may or may not be a SPOILER)

The entire phenomenon around this movie is making me go full Comic Book Guy

everyone should be testing how “academy award winner todd phillips” sounds out loud just so we’re all prepared

— Nick Usen (@nickusen) September 10, 2019

I'm trying to think of another fictional character so thoroughly irredeemable that this type of treatment would enrage me as much and I am coming up blank. It's partially due to the nature of the Joker as an amoral agent of chaos; most other characters are written in such a manner that there is shade and ambiguity to their motivations and you could see their actions charting a spectrum that swings from "good" to "evil" but that is emphatically not the Joker. He represents the exact opposite of Batman's grim order; gleeful chaos. He exists to deconstruct; it's what fuels him. He's not tortured by what he does; he revels in it. A story where the Joker is yearning for acceptance and fighting against his destructive impulses is not a story about the Joker. That struggle doesn't exist and placing it on that character fundamentally misunderstands everything about him.

I would have much less of a problem if Phoenix's "Joker" was a copycat who used the actual Joker as a conduit for his psychosis.

the Joker is very important to the recovery community

xp DJP
SPOILERS!!!

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I heard that's the case

okay lol, then I am not nearly as mad about this movie as I have been assuming that's true

So is this is a trend, then? Directors of dopey Hollywood comedies going Academy Award friendly? Adam McKay, Peter Farrelly, Todd fucking Phillips ...

Todd Phillips going "serious" isn't nearly as much of a surprise at the Farrelly brothers. he's made dramas. and The Hangover is great (...iirc)

It’s like how in catwoman Halle Berry is not the same catwoman from the batman movies but rather one of many catwomen that exist in that world xps

Man I hated war dogs

yes. terrible. miles teller is horrendous

The fact that this guy got his start with a GG Allin documentary has forever shaded my view of the rest of his filmography. I won’t say positively or negatively, but yeah. Penelope Spheeris thing, just you know, maybe a shittier version.

Oh man I didn’t know he did a Phish documentary too lol

Joker is a failed standup comic in this. C'mon, those guys don't do anything, take it from me.

but comedians are the philosopher kings of our time

Picturing a variation of this in which a schlubby Joker just goes around pulling his thing out and asking people if it's okay for him to jerk off in front of them.

youre thinking of the flash

heyo

The only good thing that can come of this movie is its inevitable On Cinema review.

this looks like a five bagger

"like the more recent james bond movies we get into the joker's origins, except instead of a spy he's a criminal mastermind. he'd be a formidable foe for my character in decker, kington, who's a mastermind of codes" it writes itself

“Next up we’ve got ‘The Joker’ starring Joker... uh, Jack... Joking Phoenix”

Stand-up comedy was the thing that people with little artistic talent looking for quick fame veered towards in the 80s. It was a perfect fit for The king of comedy. Today the thing would probably be youtube stardom. but i guess that wouldn't get a spooky clown movie any prestige.

skimmed the screenplay today and loooooool

Stand-up comedy was the thing that people with little artistic talent looking for quick fame veered towards in the 80s.

this has always happened and is arguably worse today

honestly just rewatch []Observe and Report[] or The Comedy

triple feature

Todd Phillips going "serious" isn't nearly as much of a surprise at the Farrelly brothers. he's made dramas. and The Hangover is great (...iirc)

Nah, the first Hangover - which Phillips, significantly, didn't write - is a very good low comedy.

(#2 is atrocious, Road Trip and Old School each have a couple of well-done set pieces but are basically reprehensible. never heard of War Dogs until this post!)
(several of the Farrelly bros films are good-ish, feel distinctly the work of specific authors, and their casting of differently-abled actors in "normal" roles ameliorates some of their other queasiness. it's only the writer of bad serious novels that directed the bad serious film from other ppl's screenplay though.)

yeah most of his comedies are good

Can't remember laughing once during any of the Hangover movies tbh.

hopefully JOKER will make up for that

I love Road Trip just because of one line "It's supposed to be a challenge, that's why they call it a shortcut. If it was easy it would just be the way."

Road Trip is so mechanically, cynically bad.

And all kinds of bad -ists, iirc.

I love Road Trip just because of one line "It's supposed to be a challenge, that's why they call it a shortcut. If it was easy it would just be the way."

“Next up we’ve got ‘The Joker’ starring Joker... uh, Jack... Joking Phoenix”

Joe... Jo-Jack... Jo ack... Phone Jack

Jaw-kin Penis...uh, Fenis. Phoenix.

Joke phone I X

Are those Cam'ron lyrics

debt to a certain Scorsese film looks obscene

https://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review-joker-is-a-punishingly-self-serious-mishmash-of-borrowed-parts/

so i here this has a subway scene based on bernie goetz but instead of black kids it's wall street execs harassing him

because the bad thing about the 1% is that they are always riding public transport and harassing the proles on them

Well, back in the early '80s there were no taxis or limousines, so rich and poor alike mingled freely on the subways. It was all part of the vibrant tapestry of city life, as depicted in at least three of Patti Smith's memoirs.

Was reading Ebert's review of Todd Phillips's Due Date, which sounds like a similar "homage to"/steal from Planes, Trains, and Automobiles.

the Todd Phillips film i saw was a bootleg video of Frat House when i was in college iirc -- it was a very "serious" film about dumb dudes drinking beer and slapping the filmmakers across the face.

An Oscar for that film would rile up the MCU creators and its fans and that in itself might be worth it.

That is a very hot + fresh + good take.

Lol It would just mean that instead of three relatively light Marvel movies a year we would suddenly get a spate of "dark" Marvel movies.

yeah, be careful what you wish for
this winter... Marvel Dark presents... STRIKEFORCE MORITURI
actually that would be dope
MODOK UNBOUND
no that would be dope too
KA ZAR and HOWARD THE DUCK in
actually, let's try this

I assume a dark Howard the Duck would involve him confronting the evil child molester from the first movie for extra #wokeness