The Irish

I'll check it out, thanks.

The whole 'Hibernia' (land of winter) thing is kind of weird given the weather there. But it's North of Rome, so that was apparently good enough for the Empire.

The infamous man on the ice* winter we had a few years back, the pipes in my hometown froze & basically nobody had water (we did cos we were on a different supply, lol). But yeah, it’s a total joke.

Relevant*: https://youtu.be/h3vVDUuC0yw

Breton is just Cornish with a French accent, they say.

― The Inner Mounting Phlegm (Tom D.), Tuesday, September 10, 2019 6:19 PM (thirty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

That's a bit of an oversimplification. The two, at one time, were def closer to each other than they are now. But centuries of English influence on Kernowek and French influence on Breton means a Breton speaker wouldn't necessarily understand Cornish and vice versa.

I'll be at this congress next month.

Re: Norwegian and Swedish, I've heard that their mutual intelligibility is somewhat asymmetrical.

It doesn't seem like it in this particular case.

Can't do much with Welsh beyond lessons about P vs Q: pen ~ ceann, pedwar ~ ceathar, and so on.

iirc the French influence is greatest on Munster Irish

tee-zjokh

tee-zjokh

― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 17:11 (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

The dialects of Irish: Munster, Connaught, Ulster, Gaelscoil and R'lyeh

t'shok. a vulcan from yon star trek

Is now the right time to tell LBI I know one (1) phrase in Dutch, and I would massacre it even worse than that?

If ever there was a time!

Did I do this right? https://www.speakpipe.com/voice-recorder/msg/aayp5yeqbjrzjxx8

If ever there was a time!

Did I do this right? https://www.speakpipe.com/voice-recorder/msg/aayp5yeqbjrzjxx8🕸

Your pronunciation is way better than SV’s, put it that way.

Otm (ar an airgead?)

If the Brits won't use our proper titles, we should just call Johnson the British Taoiseach.
In fact, we should call the queen the Banríon.
In fact (!), we should call Parliament An Dáil na Breataine.
I ndáiríre (!!), níor cheart dúinn béarla a labhairt ar chor at bith!

— We need to talk about Caoimhín 2.0 (@Chicken_Caoimh) September 10, 2019

From Old Irish argat (“silver”), from Proto-Celtic *argantom (compare Welsh arian), from Proto-Indo-European *h₂erǵ- (“to shine”) (compare Latin argentum (“silver”))

Kind of dying a bit like this cos it’s very substitute’s bench RTÉ newsreader in slow motion

lol otm or someone from the other side that's been studying very hard

do i know blacksod, ffs

i think i learned it cearr, cos donegal for a few years hei

Your pronunciation is way better than SV’s, put it that way.

― gyac, Tuesday, September 10, 2019 7:41 PM (fifteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

*screenshot*
*print*
*framed on wall*

Can't let you off the hook sharing your Dutch phrase though!

I’ll have to see what I can do. Any requests besides cara/cairde and Taoiseach?

Tbftsv, he did once get an Irish language song featured in the guardian:
https://youtu.be/BNFfDirBE6w

is sharivari the other rubberbandit

No but he did inspire the song Dads Best Friend

Lol “Dutch”
https://www.speakpipe.com/voice-recorder/msg/iwktxh702ep0uwue

https://cdn.webshopapp.com/shops/57105/files/65235074/wit-brood-half.jpg

Coming right up! :-D

Knowing nothing about your origin or native tongue, you sound like either a Chinese or Arabic woman speaking Dutch :)

Got you the first time though, something I can't say about many minority language peers and peeps I frequently meet who try it on. Heel goed!

I learned how to say 'Is tú mo ghrá' when I was sitting in Deems' garden on a sweet pre-hurling finale evening in Baile Áth Cliath for an English lover of Irish descent, but no way I'm recording that.

lol jfc
https://www.speakpipe.com/voice-recorder/msg/ry9bnelv2ucl4z0v
I’m never speaking again

From where I'm standing both LBI's Irish and gyac's Dutch sound impeccable. ;)

Currently sitting in front of the TV watching Ronan Curtis and Callum O’Dowda launch shots in the very approximate direction of a Bulgarian goalkeeper so I struggle to believe my commitment to Irish culture is being questioned atm.

you can’t pronounce madra and siopa correctly, stop embarrassing yourself please

The language of *BEEP* is universal :) I've no idea what you said there Gyac, if it wasn't a string of words instead of a sentence (caught a few mentioned here!).

What is (what sounds like) 'na-kórgia'?

xp lol SV

na cáirde = the friends

lol sv im watchin england

i'm watching a documentary about the Hittites, ftw

xp i mean lolololololz obv

thank you brave people with your sound clips!

I don't have any specific requests, still conceptually/anatomically troubled by https://irishpalatals.sites.ucsc.edu/getting-started/introduction/ though

i think it would be lovely to understand any of that but otoh theres a lot to be said for listening to a bit of it too, imitation is often smarter than learning or, as we'd say ourselves nura mbíonn aon ann agat ach pucín gabhair cur i lar an bpairce leis

which is a rough effort at something a roscommon man of my close acquaintance says at random times, roughly phonetically equates to nurameen ayn on oggot ak pukeen gower curry lower an parka lesh

i have no fuckin idea what it means, something about a mediocre goat i think

ok thats 101

I had a teacher who said “ann” to rhyme with crown, but she was from Cork. But yeah unless you mislearn Irish for your whole childhood idk where you would start as an adult.

just listening i think.

the most i ever picked up was genuinely from the likes of gift grub, something i found funny that more dropped snippets in that were tantalisingly close to comprehensible and obviously worth chasing for meaning.

after that its again snippets like the saying above or what an aul fella might drop into conversation down home where you like the roll of it or whatever.

id have to learn the grammar basics again, the vocab would come but id never fear the pronunciation at all tbh, its almost entirely interpretive as far as i can tell from the many moves growing up

see I’m the opposite, but that’s not really surprising I guess cos you probably grew up with more exposure to the language in daily life than me? I’d be fine with verbs and grammar but if you asked me to read something out unprepared or formulate a sentence or argument in my head, I’d get totally tongue tied. It’s really strange because I sort of did mini immersion while I was studying for the oral and I would dream in Irish, my thoughts would be in it too, and it sounded like music in my thoughts and from my mouth and yet, and yet, and yet. I never had this trouble with french ffs.

listening is good in theory but everyone speaks too fast! I guess there's probably something simple and slowable on the internet

(flashbacks to weddings/funerals where I'm clutching the order of service and looking for vaguely similar words in a line of a call&response prayer half a page above the one everyone else is actually reading out, hoping any nearby old ladies aren't outraged that I'm not even opening my mouth)

dmac I have no idea what that means and still less after asking Google Translate but I am all for sayings involving goats

this is me ever since they changed mass & idk what the fuck is happening anymore

never really immersed tbh, theres a few spots on the island but never any of mine.

aps that aspirationally translates to "if all you have is a scrawny goat, put it in the middle of the market"

he never told me what it meant but it danced when he said it which i feel is the main thing

am going to be on islay in a couple weeks, might get to hear some goidelic vocables

can someone who knows a bit more about it fill me in on one aspect of the emma de souza case? No article I've read mentions the reasons why the home office is pursuing this in court. A few have mentioned "brexit" but I'm not really following the logic. It seems to have something about asserting domestic law over allowing say the ECJ to have jurisdiction over half the population and therefore over NI? Is this correct?

emma de souza case bit confusing to me but the reason the home office is pursuing it in court is because ... they don't like immigration and people appealing immigration decisions in court?

i think its a basic split motivation between the ECJ jurisdiction argument and a simple rejection of the "self identification" of nationality

presumably the underlying driver boils down to "call yourself what you like but NI is british"

Emma de Souza is an Irish citizen from NI who has never held British citizenship. On this basis, her status as an EU citizen means she can have her (non-EU) husband live with her in NI. However the home office considers her a British citizen, even though this contravenes the provisions in the GFA for all people from NI to be Irish, British, or both. At least that’s how I understand it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/derry-woman-is-british-until-she-renounces-citizenship-tribunal-told-1.4013861

the brits consider someone born in the NI automatically british unless they renounce their citizenship it seems

Even if they do not consider themselves British or even to have held said citizenship.

wonder if after brexit an irish citizen from NI would even be able to sponsor a spouse to live in NI.

i can basically never move back to the uk on the basis of being in a ltr - soon to be a marriage - with a non-eu citizen and being broke as fuck so I'm definitely sympathetic to this case, hope it works out for them