PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

No love for Bercow, but better the devil you know.

It is often forgotten that it was #Bercow willingness to bend the rules that allowed Eurosceptic MPs to force a Commons vote that led to the fateful 2016 EU referendum⁦⁦

Are there any actual details of this - it being a manifesto commitment for a party with a clear majority, my recollection is that it went through smoothly (and was surely going to go through anyway)

The only positive I can from of Harriet Harman becoming Speaker is that the Tories- especially the Tory press - hate her as well. Other than that, it's all negatives.

... ugh, mangled English.

I think Harman is too timid politically to be a senior figure in the Labour Party but a role like speaker where she could cut loose a bit more would suit her well.

she's been punted on fwiw - as low as 6/4 from yesterdays 9/2 at one bookies.

some of the others turn the 't' into a nearly French 'tr'

Is this something to do with the velarization marker ˠ that wikipedia splatters all over its Irish pronunciation guides?

The Taoiseach (/ˈtiːʃəx/ (‧listen) TEE-shəkh,[2] Irish: [ˈt̪ˠiːʃəx])

(dunno, I don't know Irish or anything about phonetics. I looked up what "velarised" is supposed to mean before deciding that it would require many years practice and possibly major surgery before I could have my tongue anywhere near my soft palate while pronouncing a "t" - not the first time I've given up on knowing how to pronounce basic Irish sounds)

Andrews Farrell:

[Bercow's] ruling cleared the way for the group to take the near-unprecedented step of moving an amendment to the Queen's Speech, regretting the non-appearance of any referendum bill.

. . .

A parliamentary chain reaction followed. It quickly became clear that more than 100 Conservative MPs would vote for the amendment, so Mr Cameron side-stepped and announced the Conservative Party would back a private member's bill to hold a referendum by 2017, and even published a draft bill.

When the 2013 ballot for private members' bills was held, James Wharton was the top-ranking Tory - and within minutes he announced he would attempt to get the Referendum Bill into law. His bill did eventually clear the Commons, but ran aground in the Lords, and the following year a similar fate befell an identical bill from Bob Neill.

By that time Mr Cameron was cornered into a referendum promise, which became a key plank of his 2015 election manifesto. And the rest is history.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-parliaments-38402140

(xp btw the wikipedia pronunciation was pasted to show the ˠ in the Irish IPA, not because I think the Anglicised approximation is news to anyone on this thread)

Does anyone itt have any positive thoughts on any of the mooted new speakers? I suppose it may be as well to have it be someone whose political views don't accord 100% with your/my own since they won't be voting on anything any more, but with Johnson (Cummings?) determined to abandon traditions and find tricks and loopholes, it's going to be a tough job keeping things balanced.

Lol @ this

VIDEO | Watch Sarah Clarke, Lady Usher of the Black Rod, summon the House of Commons to the House of Lords to hear the Royal Commission.#Prorogation pic.twitter.com/5tQd2o6XtX

— BritishPolVids (@BritishPolVids) September 10, 2019

That's exponentially more despicable than Boycott getting knighted. (xp)

― Boulez, vous couchez avec moi? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 bookmarkflaglink

No need for a scale. Plenty of depressive shit to go round.

I don't think Bercow is analogous to BJ. BJ's substance, as well as his style, is vile. I enjoy Bercow's style, but his substance is as JC said yesterday: reforming, democratising, supporting Parliament, increasing accessibility. I think people should realise how much those things have been down to Bercow and wouldn't have been pushed by another.

There is, meanwhile, the whole set of workplace bullying allegations against him, which very curiously haven't been talked about in the last 24 hours. But I don't know the truth of them, as I do of the good things that he has done.

The fact that JC and JMc like and respect Bercow is a good sign for me.

re this^^^

artfully deployed the theatre to firm up some of the pre-existing strengths of the model can absolutely carry a strong bennite reading :)

benn as burkean, discuss

At the weekend there was speculation that Matt Hancock, the health secretary, might follow Amber Rudd in resigning from the cabinet.

Surely he'd have to develop a backbone first?

Matt the mollusk!

Snivelling little creep.

Tomorrow the British Home Office will be arguing against the birthright provisions of the Good Friday Agreement.

The argument will be that we can identify as we please but we are, by law, British citizens.

And that this Government cannot be bound to the spirit of a treaty. https://t.co/00ChOVSBef

— Emma DeSouza (@EmmandJDeSouza) September 9, 2019

jesus

Another case that links back to the horrific immigration policy that prevents the husbands / wives of British people from living here unless they earn enough money, fwiw. DeSouza needs to prove that she's Irish or her husband will be deported.

Yeah I think the origin of this was the government changing the requirement for spouses of British citizens where ofc no such requirement could be enforced on EU citizens or their spouses.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexspence/boris-johnson-dominic-cummings-voter-data

Dick & Dom calmly turning the government web portal into a data mining system as they normally do

Mark Wallace is generally free to catch fire any time he wants, but he's not wrong here.

Here's what Dame Laura Cox, a High Court Judge, said about the Speaker's position almost a year ago in an official report commissioned to try to end the bullying of Parliamentary staff. https://t.co/t2o2zh7WP2

— Mark Wallace (@wallaceme) September 9, 2019

@HillaryClinton thinking of coming over the week of the election which state is best for outspoken British MPs to help your cause?

— Jess Phillips Esq., M.P. (@jessphillips) July 23, 2016

lmao remember kez dugdale went to campaign for clinton in NYC

You need to use her full title, “the cursed”

this looks win-win to me

A man in my victims agency consultation today was the exact double of Omar from the Wire. He'd never seen it, & was shocked by my excitement

— Jess Phillips Esq., M.P. (@jessphillips) September 20, 2012

some more Jess gold

that is incredible.

100% certainty that this person also did not actually look that much like Michael K Williams

@HillaryClinton thinking of coming over the week of the election which state is best for outspoken British MPs to help your cause?

Hi rio do u want picking up in the morning pal

I think Harman is too timid politically to be a senior figure in the Labour Party but a role like speaker where she could cut loose a bit more would suit her well.

― ShariVari, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 11:50 (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Disappointing that a former top lawyer was so timid that she acquiesced to the assault on thousands of welfare claimants while acting leader. I'm not that optimistic that she's less timid in other situations since she's also so timid she thinks that walking near Burgess park is an invitation to a belly skewer.

https://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00660/news-graphics-2008-_660801a.jpg

that pic is amazing

That vote deservedly ended her career within Labour.

She does at least have a historical track record of making a massive nuisance of herself as an individual, even if she is too cowardly to apply many of those principles to party policy.

pack it in boris its all over pic.twitter.com/9klYRNpGIz

— rena (@lunacyeyes) September 10, 2019

lmao

I feel seen

Damn <3 I assume that's gone viral already.

Bodied pic.twitter.com/k3dQUWHQk0

— The Trashies (@TheTrashiesUK) September 3, 2019

another fule (as well as Schama) who doesn't respect Ash Sarkar's academic credentials... wonder why?

The bridge border story is back surprised it took this long

xp she’s fucking obsessed with her, seems to think posting on twitter about the left all day is a personality rather than a cry for help

Many xps Wallace doesn't give a toss about workplace bullying.

Recent polls indicate that the north of England is significantly more pro-Remain than the south of England outside London...
via @barnespa pic.twitter.com/bjkH110hiI

— Joey D'Urso (@josephmdurso) September 10, 2019

apparently a bit more bad news for boris

Exclusive: Johnson considering building bridge between Scotland and Northern Ireland. Report by @cathynewman https://t.co/bBtv4oK3fe

— Channel 4 News (@Channel4News) September 10, 2019

Good to see this one revived.

lol is that for real?

this motherfucker rly loves bridges

just think how many disappeared Tory MPs he can fill the foundations with tho

okay i think i might be coming around to this idea

he just needs to talk to any half decent civil engineer type to know it would require China style
mega-structure funding and would require tons of dangerous unexploded wartime ordnance to shifted from a 1000 ft deep sea trench before they could even think about starting work!

this motherfucker would make garden bridge look like a back garden DIy project!

pretty sure you could just plug a 1000 ft deep sea trench with Nicholas Soames

Why not a giant zipline? Or a flying bus that melts people?