The leave vote is a problem. Say they get their majority, do no deal, people die, chaos. No deal isn’t an end state in and of itself. They will have to sit down with the EU. The EU are likely going to push over the WA or something like it.What’s the rationale then? The glorious exit has been achieved, yet buccaneering independent Britain has to kowtow to the evil EU. What’s the message then?
― gyac, Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:12 (six years ago)
Also, Tory numbers are bound to collapse when Bojo can't deliver Brexit, no?
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:13 (six years ago)
Leave vote turned on May, they’re turning on Boris, and they’ll destroy anyone that follows.
― gyac, Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:14 (six years ago)
Got to set up the Dolchstoßlegende in advance.
― Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:14 (six years ago)
And anecdotally I know young Tories who are planning to vote LD and say the same of their friends - even the Leave ones.
V curious about the latter. Are they more bothered about Johnson or just how it's all been handled over the last 3 years?
― nashwan, Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:16 (six years ago)
(C&ped for bonus pretentiousness)
― Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:16 (six years ago)
Not sure what happens when the Prime Minister is in chokey when an election's called tbf.
― Boulez, vous couchez avec moi? (Tom D.), Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:16 (six years ago)
xxp the former mostly - but it’s his cabinet too, it’s full of people who aren’t socially liberal and that plus the prorogation & intent to crash out has done it
― gyac, Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:22 (six years ago)
Boris' strategy was a good idea - and has worked on some Brexit Party voters - but I reckon they fucked a lot of the execution of it. Basically if there is an extension beyond 31st I reckon Boris would resign.
Otherwise there is nothing in the numbers as they are plugged in through our wonderful FPTP system so what would be more useful is to see constituency level polling like in Scotland to get a better idea.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:24 (six years ago)
sadlol
Great to spend some time with these two great ladies! Gisela Stuart and Kate Hoey #girlpower! pic.twitter.com/U5ALgnxi5V— Arlene Foster (@DUPleader) September 6, 2019
― nashwan, Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:26 (six years ago)
May got basically all the leave vote in 2017 - UKIP collapsed and they were the main beneficiaries. But two and a half years on things have changed, stakes are far higher and everything is polarised. Smaller parties got squeezed last time because it was such an important election and Farron was awful, so interesting to see if that continues in a GE campaign.
― gyac, Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:27 (six years ago)
profoundly cursed
― don’t bore us, get to the aeon of horus (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:28 (six years ago)
er, xp
re: Butler he is a pretty good analyst. I do learn a few things from him and its great that he writes regularly for the LRB blog. Frankly they need him as the likes of Runciman just don't cut it. Also he does something Perry Anderson often doesn't do, which is to pretend this country even exists (I don't blame PA but most of us do live here).
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:29 (six years ago)
No argument with that but even the "three years off sick and retire at 50" line was a v Toryish dig
This line doesn't appear in the print version, for some reason. She likes the swear words, doesn't she, MH? Pretty blummen shocking. I'd rather read Grace Dent.
― fetter, Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:32 (six years ago)
Love too #girlpower when you can be prosecuted for buying abortion pills in NI
― gyac, Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:33 (six years ago)
Speaking of
“Ireland: Our Cuba?” A Tory MP authored pamphlet from the 70s pic.twitter.com/7wpxPDUhGR— Jon Stone (@joncstone) September 7, 2019
― gyac, Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:36 (six years ago)
The former Director of Public Prosecutions Lord MacDonald has told Sky News Prime Minister Boris Johnson could go to prison if he refuses to delay Brexit— Sky News Breaking (@SkyNewsBreak) September 7, 2019
― gyac, Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:40 (six years ago)
martyring yourself... probably good for one half of your coalition. the LD half of that coalition will think you've gone off the deep-end though
― самокритика me, daddy (||||||||), Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:41 (six years ago)
if he's going to keep on ratcheting things up like this, then he needs to figure out how to put on enough votes to counteract the losses to the LDs and SNP
― самокритика me, daddy (||||||||), Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:42 (six years ago)
Well this is the thing. There aren’t that many seats.
― gyac, Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:45 (six years ago)
those polling numbers for may were extraordinary - I do worry that this time JC will be more of a known quantity but... at the same time, I think the effect of 'personalities' on campaigns is a little over-stated.
you saw the poll bounce last time when the manifesto came out - you'd hope a more expansive offer next time round would have a corresponding positive effect
― самокритика me, daddy (||||||||), Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:55 (six years ago)
Good Stephen Bush bit on JRM: https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2019/09/conservatives-are-taking-big-risk-jacob-rees-mogg
― gyac, Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:59 (six years ago)
Pretty sure the more people see of Johnson, outside of the comfort zone he's been cossetted in for his entire political career, the more people will think, "I'm not voting for this clown".
― Boulez, vous couchez avec moi? (Tom D.), Saturday, 7 September 2019 18:34 (six years ago)
Yeah it's been interesting watching pro leave talkers trying to position Boris as their strong man. He just doesn't fit.
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 7 September 2019 20:13 (six years ago)
Amber Rudd has apparently resigned the whip.
― ShariVari, Saturday, 7 September 2019 20:17 (six years ago)
Keep 'em coming
― the salacious inaudible (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Saturday, 7 September 2019 20:22 (six years ago)
Never a dull moment.
― Boulez, vous couchez avec moi? (Tom D.), Saturday, 7 September 2019 20:22 (six years ago)
mmmmmmmm lovely
― самокритика me, daddy (||||||||), Saturday, 7 September 2019 20:24 (six years ago)
Niiiiice
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 7 September 2019 20:24 (six years ago)
I have resigned from Cabinet and surrendered the Conservative Whip.I cannot stand by as good, loyal moderate Conservatives are expelled. I have spoken to the PM and my Association Chairman to explain.I remain committed to the One Nation values that drew me into politics. pic.twitter.com/kYmZHbLMES— Amber Rudd MP (@AmberRuddHR) September 7, 2019
― gyac, Saturday, 7 September 2019 20:26 (six years ago)
she'd have lost her seat anyway, but loving it.
― calzino, Saturday, 7 September 2019 20:27 (six years ago)
https://i.imgur.com/VZ88Pdo.gif
― самокритика me, daddy (||||||||), Saturday, 7 September 2019 20:27 (six years ago)
One Nation values lol stfu Amber
― calzino, Saturday, 7 September 2019 20:28 (six years ago)
amber rudd has resigned to spend more time being completely okay with the hostile environment— i am a skeleton and i am watching the cricket (@stephenaharper) September 7, 2019
― gyac, Saturday, 7 September 2019 20:31 (six years ago)
Genuinely though how are they going to find enough candidates for a November election if it keeps up like this? Labour have been selecting candidates for ages.
― gyac, Saturday, 7 September 2019 20:35 (six years ago)
One Nation Under A Gove...
― just another country (snoball), Saturday, 7 September 2019 20:36 (six years ago)
well yeah she was happy to reside over a regime deporting people and locking them out from this nation of many sub-nations that decidedly wasn't one fucking nation.
― calzino, Saturday, 7 September 2019 20:36 (six years ago)
Nigel Farage has offered Boris Johnson a “non-aggression pact” in Sunday Times interview, saying they can win a majority of 100 together— Tim Shipman (@ShippersUnbound) September 7, 2019
― gyac, Saturday, 7 September 2019 20:36 (six years ago)
he might have lend boris some mps, never mind standing them down the way things are going.
― calzino, Saturday, 7 September 2019 20:38 (six years ago)
John Mann also standing down.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 7 September 2019 20:42 (six years ago)
thank fuck
― самокритика me, daddy (||||||||), Saturday, 7 September 2019 20:42 (six years ago)
saw a "the conservatives will lose all seats in scotland, now ruth has gone" take out in the wild today... think you'll find ruth has gone because...
― самокритика me, daddy (||||||||), Saturday, 7 September 2019 20:46 (six years ago)
someone needs to write a piece about how right wing pols claiming One-Nation toryism as their doctrine is the worst kind of bullshit
― calzino, Saturday, 7 September 2019 20:46 (six years ago)
My favourite iteration of that is all those media women who suggest Ken Clarke as head of GNU, but every single last one of them threw a fit a few years ago when he appeared on R4 and started chatting shit about ‘acquaintance rape’ v ‘rape-rape’.
― coup de twat (suzy), Saturday, 7 September 2019 20:55 (six years ago)
Life is good.
― Boulez, vous couchez avec moi? (Tom D.), Saturday, 7 September 2019 20:58 (six years ago)
A current (non-No10) special adviser texts re Amber Rudd:“She should have been first out - she’s trashed her rep anyway now, my message would be fuck off to the Lib Dems where you belong.”— Alex Wickham (@alexwickham) September 7, 2019
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 7 September 2019 21:05 (six years ago)
xp I had never read his views on this, Jesus Christ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13444770
― gyac, Saturday, 7 September 2019 21:05 (six years ago)
good luck uk
The Conservatives have extended their lead over Labour as pro-Brexit voters return to the party, according to the latest Opinium poll for the Observer.Despite a week of political chaos that has seen Boris Johnson purge the party of 21 MPs who oppose his plans, the Tories recorded a 10-point lead over Labour. For the first time since March, more than half (53%) of leave voters now intend to vote Conservative. Almost half of all voters (46%) now think the Conservative party has in effect become the Brexit party.The polling will be used by Johnson’s team as evidence that their ruthless strategy to push hard to secure Brexit and hold an election can work. However, the strategy has run aground as opposition parties are blocking an election from taking place.
Despite a week of political chaos that has seen Boris Johnson purge the party of 21 MPs who oppose his plans, the Tories recorded a 10-point lead over Labour. For the first time since March, more than half (53%) of leave voters now intend to vote Conservative. Almost half of all voters (46%) now think the Conservative party has in effect become the Brexit party.
The polling will be used by Johnson’s team as evidence that their ruthless strategy to push hard to secure Brexit and hold an election can work. However, the strategy has run aground as opposition parties are blocking an election from taking place.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/07/tories-extend-lead-over-labour-to-10-despite-chaotic-week
― Simon H., Saturday, 7 September 2019 22:19 (six years ago)
Rudd-y HellDown To Earth With A RuddRudd And Honour oh hold on
― who do you think you are kidding mr cummings (Matt #2), Saturday, 7 September 2019 23:17 (six years ago)