PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

Rory namedropping shamelessly on BBC News

If there’s anything Labour post-crash have proved, it’s that you don’t get the lefty policies without good cop Corbyn and bad cop McDonnell. I do like Keir Starmer, though - he’s my MP and his role in holding the project together shouldn’t be underestimated.

I think most of Cromby's detractors would find that Laura Pidcock quite unelectible as well, they just want a brylcreem boy who appeals to middle class liberals.

No, they want some liberal white feminism, especially if it’s the kind that can’t understand how it’s possible to be racist or classist in your interactions with people darker/poorer than you and your green room pals.

Can’t believe a rich right wing Australian supports the conservatives

Like I said before, they are all about AOC but they’d hate her if she sat on Corbyn’s frontbench. It’s very much about aesthetics and what they think a leader “should” look like.

Pleased to announce emma kennedy’s triumphant return to comedy

Phillip Lee is a hell of a catch for the Lib Dems. Super impressive, principled, well liked.

— Emma Kennedy (@EmmaKennedy) September 3, 2019

bit hard on sic

xxps

I think an oxbridge ex-lawyer guy who's Smart Enough For Middle England is, sadly, not viable as leader of the labour movement atm

xp

nobody died

Observation:

1: comedian David Mitchell once wrote a column pointing out that Marmite does not really have the qualities that are said to be 'like Marmite' - this is a Marmite marketing strategy. DM said that he, in fact, doesn't much mind Marmite either way.

Whatever one thinks of DM, I think he had a point and that this is a case of a phrase, with a somewhat useful meaning, becoming detached from reality.

2: the other day I heard a soccer pundit say that David Luiz was 'like Marmite' - not meaning that he divides opinion but that he is inconsistent and sometimes does good, sometimes bad things. For some broadcasters, this always doubtful phrase has now even been detached from what it was supposed to mean.

A minute later, the pundit was praised as having said something very insightful with this comment.

I quite like Marmite but I think I view eating it as a modest second best option behind the fuller pleasure of cheese.

i take it Emma missed the resignation of all those LGBT+ Lib Dems in all her excitement

love to see the LibDems giving up any pretence of being anything more than the Remain wing of the Conservative party.

right marmite wrong cheese

He’s the favourite. Comes from a lower middle class Labour background (hence the name), didn’t go to Oxford until postgraduate, and as an MP he’s been really proactive in a way I couldn’t sense in his predecessor.

For what it's worth I agree with sic upthread - Labour has right policies, wrong leader. For whatever reasons, whether to do with his actual qualities or simply the perception of them, Corbyn will never appeal to a broad enough section of the population to allow Labour the absolute majority needed to implement their policies. There are other Labour people who could front those same policies with more chance of electoral success.

― Zelda Zonk, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Sic's first post talked of a Labour collapse in the polls because of useless Jeremy and when pressed he talked about Labour foreign policy. I thought it was pom/Fred level 'he is Putin's puppet' but when pressed further it was the EU position that was causing a headache...and like, do you know what happened last night? It was embarrassing. But not quite what you are saying.

Although funnily enough a couple of FBPE twitter scum actually said a nice thing or two about Corbyn last night! If Boris is a shitshow during the campaign (and there were signs last night) and Swinson keeps posting as she ususally does I think Corbyn will look pretty good to the Midlands.

If only the Labour Party had a leader with the easy ability to appeal to voters of all classes, genders and ethnicities, like Boris Johnson.

Carrie Lam might be available soon

Sic often has an aggressively rude style of posting, so it's not like you feel duty bound to take off your gloves and keep it polite when he starts posting ill informed bollox on this thread. And at a rare moment of triumph as well ffs! I can't even count these moments on one hand.

In terms of Corbyn's appeal yes he is a common enough person in a way that most of us know someone like him, and whether that brings revulsion or not - and most people don't really know a Cameron or a Johnson. I do see people with his politics who can't stand JC. So its something beyond policy. I don't know if that in itself will be enough to keep him from No 10.

this morning Bush was talking about how JRM arrogantly lolling memes are something that has serious negative cut through traction for the tories outside the twitter commentariat, and Cameron worked hard at disguising his own poshness for a good reason.

me being me I thought he looked kinda beautiful and sad and I would feel a pang of regret watching him mount the scaffold

He looked humiliated afterwards, you hate to see it

all I can see is subhuman vermin... this long war has taken its toll on me!

(the calz/xyz rhetorical style of screaming and shooting wildly at literally anyone who gets close enough for them to see the whites of the eyes has my full endorsement as a method of coping with the stress of society's incipient collapse, but it can leave onlookers & victims alike unelucidated as to what opinions they actually wish everyone would hold)

Glad I caught on this one gem of a post (usually looking at the last 50). Oh I am so sorry you feel like this sic please post Ian Dunt's opinions on this thread more often I'll try to keep my 'screaming' to myself.

hey I endorsed it

I do see people with his politics who can't stand JC. So its something beyond policy. I don't know if that in itself will be enough to keep him from No 10.

― xyzzzz__,

Its true that if Pidcock, Vardy or any other person on the left gets in they too will undergo similar treatment and become mysteriously disliked too....but only to an extent. Its much deeper than policy which huge sections of the electorate dgaf anyway. Its psychological and deep rooted, the fact of the matter is some people don't like geography teachers and university lecturers.

But until his Leicester contract runs out it is what it is

me being me I thought he looked kinda beautiful and sad and I would feel a pang of regret watching him mount the scaffold

soon, my friend. Soon.

my fav articulated knee-jerk disgust at corbs was nakh (rip) describing him as "shambling fakir/low church preacher"

In my London bubble the people I see disliking Corbyn are:

1. People who think he hasn’t done enough on Brexit or are Corbyn Leave Voter truthers (to which I have always said, that’s bollocks, Ireland/ECJ, long game, bear with him).
2. ‘That’s not leadership/we have NO OPPOSITION’ tbh he is not following the leadership model drilled into British people from school onward, it’s a bit more Woodcraft in Corbynworld. These people are never able to nutshell exactly what leadership means to them but often mentioned Yvette Cooper, LOL.
3. Jewish people/Islamophobes/hawks who were reluctant to vote for Ed Miliband after he made it party policy in 2014 to recognise Palestinian statehood claims and left then (when Jewish support for Labour nosedived) but a gentile advocating the exact same thing is obvs a raging antisemite who will endanger Jewish people and cares more about The Muslims.
4. Privileged feminists and TERFs banging on about The Brocialists, who say they are now voting LibDem.

I thought it was pom/Fred level 'he is Putin's puppet'

Hey Alphie, has it ever occurred to you… that you might be a bully and a troll and a liar?

Give it a rest ffs.

removing the whip from 20+ MPs (including churchill's grandson no less!) going down like a bucket of cold sick today - you simply love to see it. makes them look slightly deranged - though have to admire the chutzpah... and only wish JC had been half as ruthless.

That list is growing pom.

the list is largely innaccurate bcz you don't read carefully, you can't just liken ppl to fred and not expect pushback

Apols if point already made but I thought the Slouching Mogg picture was a great visual representation of the man’s hypocrisy - had it been anyone else he’d have been on his feet making some long-winded speech of admonishment for the poor form.

That’s on top of his own recent defiance of the whip.

slouching towards bedlam

the list is largely innaccurate bcz you don't read carefully, you can't just liken ppl to fred and not expect pushback

― mark s, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 bookmarkflaglink

They are pals I thought he'd be flattered.

Who is he?
- went to Eton
- went to Oxford
- was in Bullingdon
- ran London
- became Foreign Secretary
- was considered great orator, writer & historian
- became PM
- lost his first vote as PM
- eventually got bored with politics.

It’s Archibald Primrose, the Earl of Rosebery.

— Faisal Islam (@faisalislam) September 4, 2019

considered great orator, writer & historian

🤔

the fact of the matter is some people don't like geography teachers and university lecturers.

A relative has a real dislike of McD that when pressed collapses into just 'it's in his eyes, he look untrustworthy' shit osmosed thru negative media spin

"eventually" comes from a careless skim of the wikipedia page i think: rosebery was bored of politics (also bad at it) i think even before he became PM and he was PM for only just over a year before the libs were booted out of power, beginning their great slide to perdition

many of his projects were frustrated by his own party

Oh yeah out in the shires a lot of people think McDonnell is Semtex in human form.

My right wing cousin says about McD that the lack of dislike is the real worry ("Wolf in sheep's clothing", "Dangerous operator"), its the fact that he DOESN'T dislike him that really sets the alarm bells off for him. It should be more obvious on a psychological level that he is a future mass murderer and garage stealer, what if people don't realize?

My guess would be most people in the UK don’t have an opinion on John McDonnell.

I can't imagine why anyone could have any less than utter unconditional love for McD

there is an actor melt who I crossed swords with on a football forum after he said unkind things about McD. The ex-Coronation Street star couldn't articulate what he didn't like about McD, but this was someone who thought Owen Smith "was just the right type of leadership the PLP needs right now".

also this luvvie described the Alan Johnson memoir as "a great read"

bouncing yourself into an election just as the economy is going into recession and real wages are falling. strategic genius

92 amendments tabled in the Lords, they are gonna go hard on the filibuster