PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

Gosh those Blair achievements were great, I remember when he used his 100+ majority to eradicate poverty and reform our fucked up FPTP system

― Joe Proroguin' (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, September 3, 2019 9:03 AM (fifty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

The first thing he did on becoming PM was to sign up to the National Minimum Wage - how many previous Labour PMs had that as a wish list, and how many Conservatives had that down as a disaster and communism and such?

(Of course, Brexit, etc. means they can repeal it as soon as they have a nice majority along with the foxhunting, brah)

Anyway, it was a good start, but.

Son I work for minimum wage plus 8p and it's not all that trust me, also they created an entire byzantine system of tax credits just to subsidise exploitive employers who didn't want to pay their staff enough money to actually live on

"we're not the Tories" is not an adequate bar for a decade of allegedly Labour government with the biggest majority they'd ever had

tax credits are so easy to cut/take away as well, hence all the foodbanks.

*raises outsider hand*

hi

the fuck do ye get more rabid abt the only ppl ye can coalign with to beat tories/brexit than ye do about tories/brexit

thread is a murky bowl but what route to what objective like, if the goal isnt just idk bile

thks

it was becoming blinded to beating tories at any cost that has got us into this mess

I expect Tories to be evil, it kind of hurts worse when it's your supposed own team, if you fuck the Labour Party we have nothing.

Also yes Tories are bad Brexit is sort of bad liberals are the fucking worst

You'll be glad of a good cup of organic bile in the years to come.

Also you'm not exactly a Blair sympathiser yourself darragh

You'll be glad of a good cup of organic bile in the years weeks to come.

... confirmed rebels are: David Gauke, Rory Stewart, Justine Greening, Dominic Grieve, Sir Oliver Letwin, Philip Hammond, Antoinette Sandbach, Alistair Burt, Richard Harrington, Guto Bebb, Caroline Nokes, Margot James, Sam Gyimah and Sir Nicholas Soames.

xps
I did lots of public housing refurbs in the Blair years. I saw levels of poverty and deprivation that some of these media cunts seem to think never existed in that era. I mean it's probably worse now - but that it was already bad and next to nothing was done to tackle the causes of it in a meaningful way is my memory of it. In fact the opposite - lots of the benefits scum talk came straight from the continuity Thatcher Blair gov.

Oh wow Nicholas Soames is still alive

none of us are still alive

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b7/Bolon_Yokte%27_K%27uh.jpg

fair point

John Major and Gina McKee Miller, together at last

got to admit I'm v curious what pro-EU tories will do as they leave/are deselected. mb this is the lib dem long game.

Hammond's already threatened legal action I think

continuity wets

Labour: We are not dealing with normal people

Also you'm not exactly a Blair sympathiser yourself darragh

― Joe Proroguin' (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 10:13 (forty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yes i relied on my bonafides blairites are indeed zombie morons its true but majority counts dont have a qualitative asterisk

I'm all for pragmatism sure hopefully Tory Remainers can look past my beastliness and get with the programmw

the fuck do ye get more rabid abt the only ppl ye can coalign with to beat tories/brexit than ye do about tories/brexit

:) mornin

But a serious answer to the question is that the left are always expected to compromise, even when they’re the ones with the numbers, whereas the centre left and centre right get sympathetic coverage for their history of supporting war crimes and taking money from property developers/private water companies/the Saudis.

This is a masterful piece of drafting:
▫️ All stages of the Bill in Commons on Wednesday
▫️ 2nd Reading at 3pm, all remaining stages 5pm to 7pm
▫️ Govt cannot try to prorogue Parliament this week - this motion takes control of NI Executive Act and prevents a debate before Monday https://t.co/iiUFeMZK5n

— Chris White (@cgwOMT) September 3, 2019

I am not the language police usually but fuck one "rebel alliance"

any paper with Yvette Cooper and adults in rooms names on it must suck shit to some degree!

I'm assuming the adults in the room cut out the "WE WILL GULAG YOU MOTHERFUCKERS" clause

why is there a chUK on there? They represent 0% of the electorate atm

name down in black and white = ever so slightly less likely to vote pro-bojo

Look, representing the electorate is the old politics

Its a backbench bill lads, calm down, this has all been greenlit by the frontbench as it was with Cooper/Letwin last time

she's had her name on more bills than Benj Franklin has that fucker!

possibly why the fbpe's think shes a remainer.

BREAKING: Nigel Farage confirms Brexit Party won’t stand against Conservative candidates in an election if Boris Johnson promises to leave the EU without a deal. “Of course we’ll put country before party.” Massively helps the Tory vote, while the opposition is divided @BBCr4today

— Paul Brand (@PaulBrandITV) September 3, 2019

Lol BBC pundit bigging up radge Phil Hammond like he's Charles Bronson

how many of those brexit party votes are from labour? I know probably not loads but they aren't strictly all going to transfer to boris if they don't stand are they?

They will if Boris promises no deal and to nuke Brussels

Tbf I'm not voting Labour unless they promise that motherfuckers will be gulaged also free public transport

sorry if this is a dumb question but wouldn't being all out NDB ultimately still split the vote in favour of LibDems? I don't see how he gets a stonking majority (quoting that twat from guido) from this

xps to Fizzles - UKIP stood aside for Leave Tories in 2017 using the same logic

My worry is the melts splitting the anti-Tory vote, prospect of Johnson with a functional majority is pretty fucking terrifying however much Cummings will bring the horrible lulz

The Brexit Party is going to be very dicey indeed for Johnson. I don't see how he could possibly commit to no deal in an election, having spent so much time pretending he's trying for a deal. We're heading for another hung parliament I'd say, if govt is defeated today

Yeah I don't think he'll commit to no deal, Farage is transparently trying to game him and I think he won't bite

Yeah, this is the rub - their coalition is fucked. Having a Brexit-party manifesto will be a total gift to resurgent LibDems. And the converse would be true too.

Second ref in the Lab manifesto should help a bit w/the melts, I think. And Scotland will help too. xxp

Boris has not promised to leave the EU without a deal - even if we all know that's what the plain is - so I assume the Brexit Party will be standing against Conservative candidates in any forthcoming election.

(xp)

Of course this is Farage and Johnson we're talking about, lying shitbags the pair o' them.

Have just spent a week with brexiteering in-laws in Dorset, who say they would still vote Farage in an election. If Johnson can't win over the retired brexiteer southern England constituency, he's in trouble