PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

won't matter to their voters - their progressive lodestar is 'remain'

The important thing for them is Blair won three elections and made it possible for people like them (white, aspirational) to just get on with enjoying their lives etc etc. I think it’s just as coddling a form of nostalgia as the Brexit faction’s version, the main difference being that the long ‘90s Blairite tendency is officially Not Racist - and I know a lot of them who marched against the war and kept voting Labour because their MPs were anti-war. *cough*

Quite an interesting story:

Dunkirk's experiment with free public transport has been a success, revitalising the town centre and handng a lifeline to poorer residents. It might not be workable everywhere but surely this is something cities should henceforth be seriously considering.https://t.co/rgBnvZncCj

— Oliver Farry (@ofarry) September 3, 2019

suspect they are now "but muh the iraq war" ppl who may have been anti-war at the time but (i) think people should get over it, (ii) believe the blair government's achievements outweighed its worst excesses & (iii) don't understand how important an animus it is for the current (returning) membership that JC and his close allies resisted the war

Thanks for that xyzzzz!

Have long thought all public transport should be free (or at least an aim)

labour policy to have bus travel free for under-25s... would hope they go further eventually

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Thanks Suzy, makes sense, kind of "I wish all the "stuff" would go out of the news instead of bothering me"? Wait till they find out about climate change!

as an ageing boomer i do also sometimes wish everything would go away, it's very exhausting and i will be 60 next year :(

i just know it won't go away without a big fuck-off fight and reorganisation-of-everything and if i'm choosing my fighter it's not going to be magical war criminal

and i will be 60 next year

if BG hasn't eaten me

Gosh those Blair achievements were great, I remember when he used his 100+ majority to eradicate poverty and reform our fucked up FPTP system

A million+ dead in Iraq is obviously the worst thing, but aside from that, every twenty years there's a chance to shift the UK's political consensus, and he had a huge majority to do just that, and he utterly squandered it.

if BG hasn't eaten me

yep Blair's first action as pm - with such a huge mandate - was monstering single parents on benefits and making cuts to them. he said something like: we could build a hospital week for what these subhumans are scrounging off the state. Obv he wanted to put out a message to the tory shires.

I mean there might be some inaccuracies in this account, but seriously I'm not that far off what actually happened here

We could build a hospital a week by asking our chums in the building trade to build them and then paying them billions of pounds of public money for the rest of forever

receipts on calzino's basically accurate charge btw: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/blair-backs-harman-over-cut-in-lone-parent-benefit-1295256.html

and Blair's aggressive PFI-ing of the NHS was even beyond what Major thought a tory govt could get away with.

that shit actor melt who lives in the US doesn't include that on his New Labour wallpaper of great achievements!

But Polly Toynbee told me he was a missionary to the savage hottentots of the working class

the benefits from reducing congestion & emissions wld go a long way to paying for free buses and trams

Gosh those Blair achievements were great, I remember when he used his 100+ majority to eradicate poverty and reform our fucked up FPTP system

― Joe Proroguin' (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, September 3, 2019 9:03 AM (fifty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

The first thing he did on becoming PM was to sign up to the National Minimum Wage - how many previous Labour PMs had that as a wish list, and how many Conservatives had that down as a disaster and communism and such?

(Of course, Brexit, etc. means they can repeal it as soon as they have a nice majority along with the foxhunting, brah)

Anyway, it was a good start, but.

Son I work for minimum wage plus 8p and it's not all that trust me, also they created an entire byzantine system of tax credits just to subsidise exploitive employers who didn't want to pay their staff enough money to actually live on

"we're not the Tories" is not an adequate bar for a decade of allegedly Labour government with the biggest majority they'd ever had

tax credits are so easy to cut/take away as well, hence all the foodbanks.

*raises outsider hand*

hi

the fuck do ye get more rabid abt the only ppl ye can coalign with to beat tories/brexit than ye do about tories/brexit

thread is a murky bowl but what route to what objective like, if the goal isnt just idk bile

thks

it was becoming blinded to beating tories at any cost that has got us into this mess

I expect Tories to be evil, it kind of hurts worse when it's your supposed own team, if you fuck the Labour Party we have nothing.

Also yes Tories are bad Brexit is sort of bad liberals are the fucking worst

You'll be glad of a good cup of organic bile in the years to come.

Also you'm not exactly a Blair sympathiser yourself darragh

You'll be glad of a good cup of organic bile in the years weeks to come.

... confirmed rebels are: David Gauke, Rory Stewart, Justine Greening, Dominic Grieve, Sir Oliver Letwin, Philip Hammond, Antoinette Sandbach, Alistair Burt, Richard Harrington, Guto Bebb, Caroline Nokes, Margot James, Sam Gyimah and Sir Nicholas Soames.

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I did lots of public housing refurbs in the Blair years. I saw levels of poverty and deprivation that some of these media cunts seem to think never existed in that era. I mean it's probably worse now - but that it was already bad and next to nothing was done to tackle the causes of it in a meaningful way is my memory of it. In fact the opposite - lots of the benefits scum talk came straight from the continuity Thatcher Blair gov.

Oh wow Nicholas Soames is still alive

none of us are still alive

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b7/Bolon_Yokte%27_K%27uh.jpg

fair point

John Major and Gina McKee Miller, together at last

got to admit I'm v curious what pro-EU tories will do as they leave/are deselected. mb this is the lib dem long game.

Hammond's already threatened legal action I think

continuity wets

Labour: We are not dealing with normal people

Also you'm not exactly a Blair sympathiser yourself darragh

― Joe Proroguin' (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 10:13 (forty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yes i relied on my bonafides blairites are indeed zombie morons its true but majority counts dont have a qualitative asterisk

I'm all for pragmatism sure hopefully Tory Remainers can look past my beastliness and get with the programmw

the fuck do ye get more rabid abt the only ppl ye can coalign with to beat tories/brexit than ye do about tories/brexit

:) mornin

But a serious answer to the question is that the left are always expected to compromise, even when they’re the ones with the numbers, whereas the centre left and centre right get sympathetic coverage for their history of supporting war crimes and taking money from property developers/private water companies/the Saudis.

This is a masterful piece of drafting:
▫️ All stages of the Bill in Commons on Wednesday
▫️ 2nd Reading at 3pm, all remaining stages 5pm to 7pm
▫️ Govt cannot try to prorogue Parliament this week - this motion takes control of NI Executive Act and prevents a debate before Monday https://t.co/iiUFeMZK5n

— Chris White (@cgwOMT) September 3, 2019

I am not the language police usually but fuck one "rebel alliance"

any paper with Yvette Cooper and adults in rooms names on it must suck shit to some degree!

I'm assuming the adults in the room cut out the "WE WILL GULAG YOU MOTHERFUCKERS" clause

why is there a chUK on there? They represent 0% of the electorate atm