* though the main indicator of his senility is the ludicrous stubbornness shown by his insistence on running again when he has lost comprehensively every time before, and things like the "this story is God's exact truth, my word as a Biden" -> turns out every single detail of the story is incorrect, including his involvement -> "wtf, I know SOMETHING happened once and I was there, how dare anyone criticise me for misremembering 17 specifics that I insisted were accurate" from three days ago
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:18 (four years ago) link
interesting, so what’s up with Harrisx?
― flopson, Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:19 (four years ago) link
i haven't dug into their methodology, could be just how they collect their sample.
― wario in the streets, waluigi in the sheets (m bison), Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:22 (four years ago) link
literally 137% of Biden support is "He seems like a nice old white man" or "I sure would like Obama back right now"
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:29 (four years ago) link
someone, pref not Bernie, should ask him at the next debate why O hasn't endorsed him
― Simon H., Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:37 (four years ago) link
obama told him "you don't have to do this joe" lol
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:38 (four years ago) link
that same article went on to detail how obama’s provided a lot of advising and staff, iirc
― k3vin k., Sunday, 1 September 2019 23:13 (four years ago) link
Thanks Obama
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 2 September 2019 03:17 (four years ago) link
was he like keeping the advisors and staff in a shed out back or something
― Vape Store (crüt), Monday, 2 September 2019 05:17 (four years ago) link
running she deep state
― j., Monday, 2 September 2019 05:43 (four years ago) link
*the
I thought Obama's staffers were all busy advising the Tories and running a podcast network.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 2 September 2019 06:03 (four years ago) link
Biden would probably think the Theresa May playbook is exactly the way to go, though.
Maybe, but he's thinking of the Margaret Thatcher playbook.
― Simon H., Monday, 2 September 2019 06:27 (four years ago) link
so...dying?
― wario in the streets, waluigi in the sheets (m bison), Monday, 2 September 2019 12:50 (four years ago) link
that was a joek based on Biden mixing up Thatcher and May on multiple occasions
― Simon H., Monday, 2 September 2019 15:47 (four years ago) link
in my defense my joke was better because it was about thatcher being dead
― wario in the streets, waluigi in the sheets (m bison), Monday, 2 September 2019 18:32 (four years ago) link
it's funny bcz it's true
― mark s, Monday, 2 September 2019 18:37 (four years ago) link
Neera Tanden out here union busting. I wonder what editorial line the new ThinkProgress is going to take on the 2020 candidates?
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 05:31 (four years ago) link
she’s an arsehole
― prorogue mahone (||||||||), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 06:11 (four years ago) link
The Top 10 Candidates Meet: A Guide to Thursday’s DebateThe top Democrats will face off for the first time. Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren will be at the center.
at it again!
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 12 September 2019 12:15 (four years ago) link
“We need a mass movement to make her plans a reality, and we’re going to be a part of that work,” WFP director Maurice Mitchell said. “You don’t defeat the moderate wing of Democrats through thought pieces or pithy tweets, you defeat their politics through organizing.”
Mitchell is correct here — which makes the choice of Warren baffling.
If you read his quote out of context or without its pronouns, you might assume that Mitchell was praising Sanders, not Warren. After all, Sanders has made such organizing central to his campaign.
Sanders’s 2020 slogan is “Not me, us.” He has used his campaign infrastructure to turn thousands of supporters out to union picket lines and immigrant rights protests. Sanders recently stated that once elected, he would be the “organizer-in-chief.” Even in his policy plans, like his recently announced labor law reform plan, he emphasizes that such reforms can’t be achieved without organizing a mass movement from below.
Warren, meanwhile, has staked her campaign on being the candidate who has “a plan for that.” Her proposals (domestically, at least) are, on the whole, solid progressive policies, though never stronger than Sanders’s. But not until the last few weeks has she even made rhetorical nods to building the kind of movement that Sanders argues we need, much less done anything to actually build that movement.
https://jacobinmag.com/2019/09/working-families-party-endorsement-elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 23:26 (four years ago) link
^^^ i'm a single-issue voter on this point tbh
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 23:40 (four years ago) link
on which point?
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 23:47 (four years ago) link
so now the WFP are by implication sellouts? OK.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 23:48 (four years ago) link
My lefty friends on FB called Warren a "corporate tool" yesterday.
RMDE!
― DJI, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 23:49 (four years ago) link
If the WFP views bottom-up organizing, of and by a multiracial working class, as a core necessity to win social change, why would the party endorse Warren, whose campaign has catalyzed neither — especially over Sanders, whose campaign has?
lol a Sanders supporter writing this? When Sanders and Warren both have problems attracting multiracial working class votes and Biden still (for the moment) holds the support of black Americans? OK.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 23:50 (four years ago) link
opinion polls = gobbitch
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 23:53 (four years ago) link
primacy of organizing, danger of plan talk
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 23:55 (four years ago) link
Daily reminder that NY voters have until October 11, 2019 to switch party affiliation to Democrat to vote in the New York Democratic Primary.Thank you to @majorityfm for being the first independent media outlet to discuss this.Who is next? pic.twitter.com/DB1YnIZqA0— NY For Sanders #Bernie2020 (@NYforSanders) September 17, 2019
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 17:56 (four years ago) link
wassup yall
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 17:58 (four years ago) link
:)
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 17:58 (four years ago) link
I thought this was a good take on the WFP kerfuffle / the Sanders/Warren conflict more generally even if I don't agree with quite all of it myself
https://theoutline.com/post/7983/wfp-endorsement-warren-sanders?zd=1&zi=gmyqldmy
― Simon H., Thursday, 19 September 2019 20:41 (four years ago) link
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, September 17, 2019 6:50 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
The majority of Bernie's supporters are now POC
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 19 September 2019 20:45 (four years ago) link
On Sanders' progress in South Carolina.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 September 2019 21:05 (four years ago) link
i was feeling warren but i'm pretty firmly in camp bernie now
― cheese canopy (map), Thursday, 19 September 2019 21:05 (four years ago) link
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive),
Under 35?
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 September 2019 21:06 (four years ago) link
His base skews young generally
https://www.vox.com/2019/3/7/18216899/bernie-sanders-bro-base-polling-2020-president
― Simon H., Thursday, 19 September 2019 21:28 (four years ago) link
I think it’s fair to assume the membership vote went for Sanders, otherwise the WFP would release it.
Sadlol.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 19 September 2019 21:39 (four years ago) link
87% to not winning a straight members vote is...I mean not impossible but seems kinda unlikely esp given the circumstances. I don't see how it's an unfair assumption at all
― Simon H., Thursday, 19 September 2019 21:45 (four years ago) link
Do you have the results from 2015, because I'm not sure that number is verified?
― Frederik B, Thursday, 19 September 2019 21:48 (four years ago) link
And in no way is it weird that Sanders would get 87% when his only opponent was Clinton, to losing to Warren. Come on.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 19 September 2019 21:49 (four years ago) link
gonna be wild as hell if he starts winning or coming in a close second in IA, NH, & NV. i've got nothing but *my feeeeelings* to support this but i do think he'll outperform his current polling.
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 19 September 2019 21:49 (four years ago) link
love feelings
― cheese canopy (map), Thursday, 19 September 2019 22:04 (four years ago) link
from a Salon story, though they don't cite a source tbf
According to the group, Warren defeated Sanders in a vote of WFP members and leadership, earning 61% compared to Sanders’s 36%. But that verdict isn't quite as clear as it sounds. Curiously or otherwise, WFP has so far declined to provide a breakdown of the votes — as it did following the 2016 endorsement when 87% of the members voted for Sanders.
― Simon H., Thursday, 19 September 2019 22:09 (four years ago) link
It's not strictly speaking true as far as I can see. They sent an internal email not meant for publication with that number, but that was unofficial. And in 2015, they only had a membership vote, then the board confirmed they were going to endorse Sanders. That number, 87%, is a lot similar to the 80% that apparently voted for either Warren or Sanders. And yeah, since it ended up being 36% Sanders to 61% Warren, that means the leadership clearly impacted the result. But they dragged it to the left. There's not really any reason to doubt that the membership went for Warren as well, after all, she is the more popular of the two candidates.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 19 September 2019 22:20 (four years ago) link
[citation needed]
― Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Friday, 20 September 2019 02:34 (four years ago) link
Ferdstrik Boindexter
― buzza, Friday, 20 September 2019 06:31 (four years ago) link
Bernie is thronged by students like a rockstar after his Climate Forum performance. Chris Hayes has to do a double take to remember that Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in the United States of America. pic.twitter.com/fwOMJT6ejG— Working Class 👩🏿🏫 👷🏼♀️ 👨🏻🍳 👨🏽🔧 (@net_enforcer) September 19, 2019
you love to see it
― anvil, Friday, 20 September 2019 06:47 (four years ago) link
and staying on brand when fielding the toughest of questions from Kyle
.@BernieSanders weighs in on who's the GOAT, Michael Jordan or @KingJames 👀 👀 pic.twitter.com/QfNKAnj5LC— Secular Talk (@KyleKulinski) September 13, 2019
― anvil, Friday, 20 September 2019 06:49 (four years ago) link