I don't know, it just seems so edgy and extreme and full of rage.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 31 August 2019 17:14 (four years ago) link
Ehrlich: https://www.indiewire.com/2019/08/joker-review-joaquin-phoenix-1202170236/
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 31 August 2019 17:17 (four years ago) link
Dead link?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 31 August 2019 17:19 (four years ago) link
It worked fine nwo
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 31 August 2019 17:25 (four years ago) link
maybe they were slammed? sure likes calling the movie dangerous.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 31 August 2019 17:27 (four years ago) link
It’s exhilarating in the most prurient of ways, a snuff film about the death of order, about the rot of a governing ethos. But from a step back, outside in the baking Venetian heat, it also may be irresponsible propaganda for the very men it pathologizes.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/08/joker-review-joaquin-phoenix
A ton of reviews out there, though all by white dudes.
― ... (Eazy), Saturday, 31 August 2019 17:34 (four years ago) link
even the most repulsive of mid-budget character studies can be massive hits (and Oscar contenders) so long as they’re at least tangentially related to some popular intellectual property. The next “Lost in Translation” will be about Black Widow and Howard Stark spending a weekend together at a Sokovia hotel
Reminds me of hearing an interview with Christopher Nolan circa Dark Knight about how his big influences were supposedly Friends of Eddie Coyle and French Connection and all that, and he was like "I wanted to make a movie like that, and figure out the least I could do to make it a 'superhero film'." Like, oh, so making films like that without a superhero is just completely off the table at this point then... I see.
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Saturday, 31 August 2019 18:09 (four years ago) link
Phoenix would be the reason to see this, it’s hilarious that this particular role has become the Everest for male actors wanting to prove their actorly intensity tho especially when you go back to the pre-ledger ones Politics seem as bad as yer dtv garbage starring Mel Gibson (which can be quite entertaining), I guess there’s a particular objection here because of the higher budget and extended reach for a susceptible demo?
― YouGov to see it (wins), Saturday, 31 August 2019 18:16 (four years ago) link
I might watch this movie with headphones on blasting brown noise.
― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Saturday, 31 August 2019 18:36 (four years ago) link
The jokester strikes again
― YouGov to see it (wins), Saturday, 31 August 2019 18:38 (four years ago) link
the clown prince of blockbuster reviews has struck again
Crowd at #Venezia76 went absolutely ballistic for #JOKER. Film is dark, sick, twisted. I’m with a crowd of fellow critics right now, running through the streets of Venice just screaming. Hollering. My legs are tired. We’ve been doing this for hours. Joaquin is an Oscar contender— Ben Mekler (@benmekler) August 31, 2019
#JOKER will change superhero cinema forever. Sure to be controversial. The film is a literal riot. I just flipped a car with two of the guys from IndieWire. A Guardian reviewer fell down and we all kept running. I stepped on his hand. REALLY impressed with Todd Phillips— Ben Mekler (@benmekler) August 31, 2019
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Saturday, 31 August 2019 19:32 (four years ago) link
Actually took me a sec to realise that was a pisstake, having seen some of the genuine tweets
― YouGov to see it (wins), Saturday, 31 August 2019 19:42 (four years ago) link
Lmao Glieberman's rave for Variety is such horseshit
― Simon H., Saturday, 31 August 2019 19:53 (four years ago) link
this is a regular thing for Mekler - within the hour Indiewire, Slashfilm, IGN and C/Net had quoted him straight-faced, and Warner Bros Worldwide Picture Marketing sent him a release form requesting permission to quote him in all media in perpetuity
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Saturday, 31 August 2019 19:55 (four years ago) link
lol @ those Mekler tweets
― circa1916, Saturday, 31 August 2019 19:57 (four years ago) link
it’s hilarious that this particular role has become the Everest for male actors wanting to prove their actorly intensity tho especially when you go back to the pre-ledger ones
The most intensely challenging, daunting role that any actor can play is that of the clown who fights Batman.— ℑ 𝔇𝔬𝔫'𝔱 𝔅𝔩𝔞𝔪𝔢 𝔜𝔬𝔲 (@NickPinkerton) January 22, 2016
― Number None, Saturday, 31 August 2019 19:59 (four years ago) link
the clown prince of blockbuster reviews
Hmmm, kinda reminds me of somebody.
― pplains, Saturday, 31 August 2019 20:17 (four years ago) link
And behold, the ONLY WOC review I've seen. https://t.co/Uw5DZ8aeqv— Yolanda Machado (@SassyMamainLA) August 31, 2019
― ... (Eazy), Saturday, 31 August 2019 21:43 (four years ago) link
we can "joke" but the Joker is such an intense character to play that it killed Heath Ledger via the most diabolical weapon of all, method acting.
― omar little, Saturday, 31 August 2019 21:54 (four years ago) link
please stop making fun of the joker itt. when you laugh at the joker, you are just feeding into his insane plan.
― ilxors are still exuberant (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 31 August 2019 22:45 (four years ago) link
good review
― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Saturday, 31 August 2019 23:26 (four years ago) link
love the bathos of the editorially demanded "B+" at the end tbqh
When fight club came out the reviewer in my local paper wrote the most hilariously ott hook-line-and-sinker review, like “this film will change America forever, within 6 months there will be fight clubs like this in every city and town, everything you thought you knew is about to change.” Some of the reviews remind me of that, like “will America be able to handle the edgy truths that this film is about to redpill us all with?”
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 1 September 2019 00:58 (four years ago) link
If that movie does well, I guess we can expect 'Network' starring the Riddler, 'Serpico' with Bane and 'Persona' starring Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn. Who says they aren't making original movies for grown ups anymore?— Alex Winter (@Winter) September 1, 2019
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:17 (four years ago) link
excellent!!
― wario in the streets, waluigi in the sheets (m bison), Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:17 (four years ago) link
It’s a movie from the director of The Hangover and Road Trip, featuring the guy with the lisp from Gladiator, as a character from Suicide Squad. Colour me excited
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 2 September 2019 08:03 (four years ago) link
has anyone seen it yet
― theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Monday, 2 September 2019 08:49 (four years ago) link
wonder if it might be good, like
― theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Monday, 2 September 2019 08:50 (four years ago) link
a good movie
― theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Monday, 2 September 2019 09:23 (four years ago) link
watch the trailer. the movie is a longer version of it.
― Funky Isolations (jed_), Monday, 2 September 2019 12:18 (four years ago) link
this is one f*cked up clown
― Aston "Family Court" Barrett (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 2 September 2019 12:41 (four years ago) link
this clown is insane, and this time...he has a posseviolent j(oaquin) IS the joker
― wario in the streets, waluigi in the sheets (m bison), Monday, 2 September 2019 12:53 (four years ago) link
big reveal is that wacky Joe Kerr from down the block has a funny sideand you wouldn't like him when he's funny
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 2 September 2019 13:13 (four years ago) link
I _really_ liked two of the documentaries he made: Hated and Frat House. Old School and The Hangover are also good.
Is there any comic stuff in this? For example, Batman?
― Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 2 September 2019 13:51 (four years ago) link
I’ll have you know Batman is very serious
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 2 September 2019 13:53 (four years ago) link
y so?
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 2 September 2019 13:55 (four years ago) link
I for one am excited to finally at long last learn the origins of the joker, which up to now have been kept secret and shrouded in mystery
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Monday, 2 September 2019 14:08 (four years ago) link
Wait, so this is supposed to be the same character from the Batman universe? Whoa. Now you have my attention, Johnny Cash.
― pplains, Monday, 2 September 2019 15:37 (four years ago) link
Holy shit I just thought this was about the Steve Miller Band song.
― FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 September 2019 16:27 (four years ago) link
It's about the pompitous of love and the havoc it wrecks on the forgotten man.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 September 2019 16:32 (four years ago) link
and the CROWN prince of CRIME heehehehehehheehheeahahahahahahhHAHAHA!
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 2 September 2019 16:46 (four years ago) link
I really think everything about this movie is enraging horseshit.
We do not need to humanize the goddamned fucking Joker.
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 13:01 (four years ago) link
It's just a clown.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 13:05 (four years ago) link
Like literally give me a movie of Jared Leto's Joker from Suicide Squad stomping on puppies for 2.5 hours over this nonsense
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 13:06 (four years ago) link
At what point do the majority shareholders of WB begin questioning the wisdom of their portfolio, is a question I occasionally find myself asking
― Time to Make a Pizza Pact! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 13:13 (four years ago) link
This joaker is one twisted mf and that's no 'joke'
― Aston "Family Court" Barrett (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 13:20 (four years ago) link
this is what was so good about the "Did I ever tell you how I got my scars?" bit in the Ledger movie: the first time you hear it, you're drawn in -- you want to humanize the Joker, he's there to help you do that. and then when he tells a different story the next time, you as the viewer are supposed to go "oh lol @ me, this guy is obviously a sadistic asshole, do not try to get the 'two sides to every story' bit on him"
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 13:20 (four years ago) link
It's just... The Joker isn't a sad character. He is not a character that should be pitied or identified with. He is not a downtrodden soul bent and misshapen by a cruel, uncaring world into a vengeful monster. He's a vengeful monster because he wants to be one. He destroys things because he can. He hurts and kills because it's fun. He is screaming, unchecked id driven by cunning and malevolence, which is why Ledger's version worked so well. Turning him into a sad little man with so many problems and setbacks and issues that he couldn't help but turn into a monster in response is not only a fundamental misunderstanding of the character; it lets him off the hook by inviting you to rationalize why he became what he is and allows you to think that it's possible to redeem him.
I don't care how Comic Book Guy I'm coming across as here because every review talking about how this movie is likely to be an incel rallying cry resonates strongly with every vibe I've picked up off this movie from the trailers and, given where the entirety of western civilization has been going over the past 5 years, I do have some actual, legitimate concerns about whether shit like this will make the world worse for me and my kids.
xp: YES EXACTLY JCLC
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 13:25 (four years ago) link
I've seen it suggested in several reviews that there's a satirical undercurrent to the film. The problem being that we're living in a post-satirical world filled with people who lack the critical faculties to differentiate satire from a call to arms.
― Time to Make a Pizza Pact! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 13:32 (four years ago) link
xpost JCLC otm
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 13:33 (four years ago) link